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Aid workers accused of taking part on 7/10 attack on Israel - appalling !

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Lanabigbanana · 27/01/2024 18:02

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/serious-allegations-against-unrwa-staff-gaza-strip

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-palestinian-refugee-agency-investigates-staff-suspected-role-israel-attacks-2024-01-26/

From the Guardian 5 hours ago;

"UK suspends UNRWA support after Israeli allegations The UK has temporarily paused future funding of UNRWA, saying it is “appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel”.
A statement sent to the Guardian by the UK’s foreign, commonwealth and development office said:
'The UK is appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel, a heinous act of terrorism that the UK government has repeatedly condemned.

The UK is temporarily pausing any future funding of UNRWA whilst we review these concerning allegations.'

We remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza who desperately need it."

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inkworks273 · 28/01/2024 07:14

Apparently the BBC news led with an 8 minute long segment on these unproven unrwa allegations. That's far greater than any coverage they've given to the ICJ ruling that Israel is plausibly committing genocide! I don't know why I pay my tv licence for these fuckers to cherry pick what news they give me. It's blatant and it's disgraceful.

Efacsen · 28/01/2024 07:24

1dayatatime · 28/01/2024 01:01

The countries that have now suspended funding UNRWA are Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, the UK and the US.

Switzerland shouldn't be on this list - they will be making a decision on suspending aid once the outcome of the investigations is available

This would seem to be a reasonable position to take and wonder why the other countries are acting before all the information is available

It's also true to say that some of these countries have stated that the suspension of aid is 'temporary' presumably like Switzerlands position

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Efacsen · 28/01/2024 07:58

UNWRA are in an unenviable position wrt Hamas in as much they need to co-operate with Hamas in it's role as the government of Gaza whilst not colluding with Hamas the terrorist group and the overlap between the two 'sides' of Hamas

I can't imagine that Hamas are easy to work with [understatement]

It would be interesting to know for example how much Hamas interfered in vetting employees and how that compromised UNWRA

UNWRA have been critical of Hamas in the past abdicating governing and instead foisting the responsiblities onto them and other NGOs presumably because it's not something they are really interested in

As usual the real problem comes back to Hamas

Tuile · 28/01/2024 10:44

Is there anything UNWRA could do that would justify suspending their funding? @HeidiInTheBigCity

Efacsen · 28/01/2024 11:02

Tuile · 28/01/2024 10:44

Is there anything UNWRA could do that would justify suspending their funding? @HeidiInTheBigCity

What do you think are the likely consequences of lack of funding?

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:26

Luckily for us the ICJ is not in bed with Hamas and yet agree with SA that Israeli government has a case to answer - note I did the correct thing of stating Israeli government.

Are you suggesting that South African citizens are in cahoots with Hamas.

I am sick to death of the double standards.

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:31

Here is another organisation that needs funds;

https://www.friendsoftheholyland.org.uk/

I understand that they have already given £200000, half of that into Gaza. They have added 15 new families to their Family Support Programme and are making sure they are directly supported.

Friends of the Holy Land

Charity

https://www.friendsoftheholyland.org.uk

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Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:31

The timing of the release of information is so convenient for Israeli Government - one might think they planned this knowing what the outcome would be- to say that they have to let in Humanitarian aid. How can we hamper this and deflect attention from the criticism against us?

The fact that governments are towing in line with this is so disappointing. Give the UN time to investigate or change aid so food / medicines are provided to UNRWA.

Are they going to send in troops to distribute aid then?

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:33

@Polka83 Are you suggesting that South African citizens are in cahoots with Hamas?

I didn't say that. The government certainly is. I have no idea what the citizens of SA think.

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Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:35

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:31

Here is another organisation that needs funds;

https://www.friendsoftheholyland.org.uk/

I understand that they have already given £200000, half of that into Gaza. They have added 15 new families to their Family Support Programme and are making sure they are directly supported.

Do you they have the staff on the ground willing and able to coordinate aid in Gaza- may end up hiring the staff UNRWA hires? After all- who else is going to risk death than those already there.

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:37

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:33

@Polka83 Are you suggesting that South African citizens are in cahoots with Hamas?

I didn't say that. The government certainly is. I have no idea what the citizens of SA think.

Please be careful with your language- if you referred to Israel instead of the Israeli government when criticising the latter - you would be being antisemitic.

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:37

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:35

Do you they have the staff on the ground willing and able to coordinate aid in Gaza- may end up hiring the staff UNRWA hires? After all- who else is going to risk death than those already there.

I can't answer your question.

Maybe e-mail them and ask?

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Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:39

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:37

I can't answer your question.

Maybe e-mail them and ask?

You are proposing them as a solution - I am pointing out an obvious problem

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:39

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:37

Please be careful with your language- if you referred to Israel instead of the Israeli government when criticising the latter - you would be being antisemitic.

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2024/01/11/south-africas-support-for-the-palestinian-cause-has-deep-roots

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Livinginanotherworld · 28/01/2024 13:40

HeidiInTheBigCity · 27/01/2024 21:24

... which would be entirely credible, had ANY of these countries - including my own!!! - even so much as threatened to stop sending weapons to Israel. If not before then, at the very least, after the ICJ ruling!

But they have not. Not even a single one of them!

This.

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:41

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:39

You are proposing them as a solution - I am pointing out an obvious problem

And I am giving you the route to an answer.

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Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:46

Does that article say South Africans are in bed with Hamas as your original post?
It’s behind a pay wall.

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:47

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:41

And I am giving you the route to an answer.

If you’re going to propose a serious solution - consider it’s difficulties too. Why do you think they are not there in Gaza now?

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:48

@HeidiInTheBigCity ... "which would be entirely credible, had ANY of these countries - including my own!!! - even so much as threatened to stop sending weapons to Israel. If not before then, at the very least, after the ICJ ruling!

But they have not. Not even a single one of them!"

Why should they? They have legal arms businesses and the ICJ ruling didn't recommend a ceasefire..

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no money in peace.

You may not like that fact but that's the way the world works.

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Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:50

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:47

If you’re going to propose a serious solution - consider it’s difficulties too. Why do you think they are not there in Gaza now?

Who is not in Gaza? What are you talking about?

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Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:51

@HeidiInTheBigCity
I am hoping that even the provisional ruling by the ICJ will give strength to legal cases / judicial reviews already in place to see if arms should be sold to Israel. I can see lawyers have suggested thus may be case too on X. It unfortunately takes time that Gazans don’t have.

Livinginanotherworld · 28/01/2024 13:52

BackandForthRoundandRound · 28/01/2024 01:58

Yes, let's starve innocent children, women and men. That is what some clearly want. I mean, how dare they need food, medicine and other vital items in order to survive.

Interesting timing that this story had for release... almost as though it was hoping to distract from something. Could it be the court not dismissing South Africa? No, course it wouldn't be......

Yes the timing of this is extremely interesting.

Whether or not the 12 aid workers are guilty or not, that will all come out at some stage, the prisoners statements could potentially have been taken under duress as well. But it’s a collective punishment on Gaza to deliberately withhold aid funding and more people in Gaza will die because of this.
UNWRA have already done the right thing by suspending ( well actually sacking) those accused, so it’s very strange that the western governments have jumped so quickly on this, but very little mention of the possible charges facing Israel which makes them complicit and subject to sanction themselves. I cannot understand it.

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:54

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:50

Who is not in Gaza? What are you talking about?

The charity you posted - is it currently able to fill gap of 12,000 UNWRA workers in Gaza. I presumed you posted it alternative to UNWRA? Or was your post about the charity irrelevant to this thread?

Even the International Red Cross cannot replace UNWRA infrastructure.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 28/01/2024 14:03

AhaHa · 28/01/2024 01:32

I wish more people thought like you.
instead you get this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68103641

People literally seem to be salivating at the idea of obliterating innocent civilians - to the point of blocking aid trucks!

Israel are making it illegal for civilians to be in that area, which will presumably stop those protests.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/amid-protests-to-prevent-aid-entering-gaza-idf-declares-kerem-shalom-crossing-a-closed-military-zone/

stomachameleon · 28/01/2024 14:17

People literally seem to be salivating

@AhaHa what what I have read they seem to be mostly made up of hostages families. Desperate people do desperate things.

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