Aid workers accused of taking part on 7/10 attack on Israel - appalling !

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https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/serious-allegations-against-unrwa-staff-gaza-strip

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-palestinian-refugee-agency-investigates-staff-suspected-role-israel-attacks-2024-01-26/

From the Guardian 5 hours ago;

"UK suspends UNRWA support after Israeli allegations The UK has temporarily paused future funding of UNRWA, saying it is “appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel”.
A statement sent to the Guardian by the UK’s foreign, commonwealth and development office said:
'The UK is appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel, a heinous act of terrorism that the UK government has repeatedly condemned.

The UK is temporarily pausing any future funding of UNRWA whilst we review these concerning allegations.'

We remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza who desperately need it."

But that isn't an answer to what I asked....

What has been 'going on' that you refer to?

It isn't an 'illegal occupation' and you know that

Clearly that aid has been needed for the Palestinian people.

Really? No, not at all....

I am merely stating the correct position with regard to Israel’s right to “self defence” under international law, as confirmed by the ICJ.

What I would prefer is the third option that you’ve conveniently omitted, which is for Israel to end its decades long occupation and system of apartheid. I think you’ll find that, as opposed to its current genocidal campaign, may do wonders for Israel’s own peace and security.

I recommend an experiment for everyone on this thread. Write your post and then before you press ‘post’ read it through and think “what if I’m wrong? What is the evidence against what I’m saying? What would a good faith rebuttal of my point look like?” Then maybe edit a bit.

Because I guarantee anyone who can’t even think about what they might have wrong is likely missing some nuance.

That is not the position of the UK government or the United Nations.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-statement-on-settlements-bring-security-conference-in-jerusalem#:~:text=The%20UK's%20position%20is%20clear,with%20forcible%20displacement%20or%20relocation.

Gaza was under the direct control of Egypt from 1949 - 1968.

Are you saying that Egypt denied the Gazans Aid? If so that is nothing to do with Israel.

Gaza was under the direct control of Israel from 1968 - 2005.

Israel helped build up and support a market gardening industry at that time that exported flowers and fruit internationally.

So, far from denying them Aid Israel was helping them to rebuild Gaza.

When the Israelis left Gaza they also left some of the green houses and other equipment.

https://www.fruitnet.com/fresh-produce-journal/greenhouse-handover-in-gaza/137077.article

The response of the Palestinians was to trash them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

So as I see it Palestinians were authors of their own misfortune. They had a chance to continue with a fledgling and thriving economy, but chose to squander that chance.

You make it sound really simple. Have Israel ever tried ending the occupation? From Israel’s point of view, why is this not happening?

It is simple. That is the position under international law. The end of the occupation is not happening because the bottom line is that there is a significant proportion of Israeli society that think “Judea and Samaria” (as they like to call it) and the Gaza Strip are the God given right of the Jewish people, and it is their duty to occupy and settle it. They have been aided and abetted by various Israeli governments for decades.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/29/israeli-ministers-attend-conference-calling-for-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians

You are conflating 'occupation' with the subject of 'settlements'.

I agree that building settlements was wrong.

This issue should have been raised by the government there.

This 100%

settlements are a product of the occupation. They are only possible because the land is militarily occupied by Israel. You cannot think settlement building is “wrong” and support the occupation. It’s an absurdity.

12 workers out of 13,000 employees. ICJ ordered aide to be allowed into Gaza and then immediately after this ruling multiple countries withdraw funding from the main aide agency. It's just another form of genocide, withdrawing aide to starving people.

Absolutely. Anyone complicit in this genocide should never be allowed to forget it.

I think you’ll find that, as opposed to its current genocidal campaign, may do wonders for Israel’s own peace and security.

I firmly believed that too, until 7 October happened. When I saw the footage on X I suddenly understand the Israeli perspective.

I disagree.

You can have an occupation without 'putting down roots' as it were.

Germany occupied France but didn't start building house for Germans.

By Israel building settlement, they are appearing to 'stake a claim'. This IMO is not a good idea when the land is disputed by some.

Both the Israelis and Palestinian Arabs want control of Jerusalem, as it is a Holy City for both of them.

In the original Partition Plan Jerusalem was designated as an 'International City' and Britain was sent in by the UN as a peace-keeping force. Eventually the British Army was sick of being shot at by both sides and pulled out.

That left the mess we have now.

I don't know what the answer is.

Perhaps you should have watched some footage of the 75 years preceding October 7th or the 115 days since then, where 27,000 innocent Palestinians have been killed, 70% of whom have been women and children. Not to mention the millions facing starvation, thirst and living in the open air in freezing conditions.

To be clear, I am not in any way justifying October 7th. I condemn it. But if you are going to use it as the basis to justify Israel’s actions in Gaza, then by equal measure you also need to consider the impact of all the atrocities suffered by Palestinians across 75 years before and after October 7th to understand their perspective and actions.

@Desertrose2023 I agree. If anyone on here tried to justify October 7th by saying it was the result of a 75 year brutal occupation they would be jumped on and accused of all sorts. And yet so many people feel comfortable justifying what Israel is doing now by blaming what Hamas did on October 7th.

But what about all of the footage from before the 7th of October? Does that not matter at all from your viewpoint?

Agreed completely. The timing is very obvious yet so many fail to see this.

That is not what happened... They were actively involved in some completely brutal crimes against the Palestinian people. They also didn't pull out due to "being shot at from both sides" one side happened to turn on them massively

I think it's quite obvious what I'm saying.

There are some posters (one in particular who probably utilizes multiple usernames) who like to spam threads which a revisionist version of history that they present as fact. It’s quite bizarre.