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Conflict in the Middle East

Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!

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noblegiraffe · 14/01/2024 21:40

"Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!" was being chanted on the streets of London yesterday and last week.

I'm just interested in whether people think this is a reasonable thing to be chanting or not, because there were quite a few people chanting it. So a quick poll:

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Kendodd · 26/01/2024 23:24

All opinion i've seen (BBC etc) says that Iran does not control the Houthis. They suppy them and are on the same side, but don't control them. So sideways influence rather than top down.

SalutDecorum · 26/01/2024 23:28

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 26/01/2024 23:20

What is that podcast, by the way? I needed an app so didn’t bother. Who produces it and who’s on it?

Geopolitics and worldly journalist John Dolan (who was fired or kicked out of a couple places for talking about ongoing war crimes, like in the KSA and East Timor), along with various guests who specialise in foreign affairs and military matters. The podcast plays in the browser, no need for an app on mobile or desktop, though I definitely recommend the previous episodes all the way back to 2015 when they probably had mentions of the things the US and UK were helping the Saudi military with in that region.

That Reuters article talks of the US thinking China has some ability to leverage Iran against Yemen. This is the US flailing ineffectually, because as we have seen, there is no leverage. The US admitted only this past week that the air strikes are not doing anything, but they'll keep on doing them anyway. If that isn't the indicator of headless chickenness of the US losing control, I dread to think what would.

Afghanistan falling to the Taliban again can be seen as the sundowning of the US interests in that region. Blood was in the water then, and it's kind of shocking how fast things are unfolding. I figured it'd be a 50 year decline, and yet here we are, barely a couple years later and stuff is falling apart with Iraq and Syria withdrawal now being on the table. That was totally not a thing before these events.

EDIT: Interesting thing, The Radio War Nerd podcast mentioned things last year that are now fact in terms of the Ukraine conflict that another podcast I listen to, War on the Rocks, didn't raise or considered unlikely, such as shell hunger, Russia gaining ground and the US losing interest after the failed counteroffensive. They also talked about Taiwan and what's the deal there (not much).

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 27/01/2024 09:33

SalutDecorum · 26/01/2024 23:28

Geopolitics and worldly journalist John Dolan (who was fired or kicked out of a couple places for talking about ongoing war crimes, like in the KSA and East Timor), along with various guests who specialise in foreign affairs and military matters. The podcast plays in the browser, no need for an app on mobile or desktop, though I definitely recommend the previous episodes all the way back to 2015 when they probably had mentions of the things the US and UK were helping the Saudi military with in that region.

That Reuters article talks of the US thinking China has some ability to leverage Iran against Yemen. This is the US flailing ineffectually, because as we have seen, there is no leverage. The US admitted only this past week that the air strikes are not doing anything, but they'll keep on doing them anyway. If that isn't the indicator of headless chickenness of the US losing control, I dread to think what would.

Afghanistan falling to the Taliban again can be seen as the sundowning of the US interests in that region. Blood was in the water then, and it's kind of shocking how fast things are unfolding. I figured it'd be a 50 year decline, and yet here we are, barely a couple years later and stuff is falling apart with Iraq and Syria withdrawal now being on the table. That was totally not a thing before these events.

EDIT: Interesting thing, The Radio War Nerd podcast mentioned things last year that are now fact in terms of the Ukraine conflict that another podcast I listen to, War on the Rocks, didn't raise or considered unlikely, such as shell hunger, Russia gaining ground and the US losing interest after the failed counteroffensive. They also talked about Taiwan and what's the deal there (not much).

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Thank you. A flick around tells me that War Nerd is a wholly biased, unreliable source. The War Nerd X feed says it all. Standard anti-Israel, pro-Russia stuff. Whatever opposes the US basically.

Apparently even New Republic called WN part of the ‘dirtbag left’.

I’ll stick with Reuters.

Iran does control the Houthis. HTH.

MoneyMoneyMoneyy · 27/01/2024 18:54

Saschka · 24/01/2024 11:03

Unfortunately you can’t put it as a characteristic of US (or UK) foreign policy either.

We can’t destabilise these countries and then tut tut that they are unstable.

That does not in any way mean that I support attacks on shipping, or other terrorism. But I do think the OP is being quite disingenuous by painting this as an inexplicable act of mindless terrorism rather than just the latest development in a violent, unstable area.

Eh?

MoneyMoneyMoneyy · 27/01/2024 19:03

quantumbutterfly · 24/01/2024 11:41

That last quote perfectly sums up so many arguments..Grin

yup

MoneyMoneyMoneyy · 27/01/2024 19:15

SamFisherman · 24/01/2024 22:26

Nah. Then I'd be having to deal with more comments like this. I'm good.

Translation: I am unable to provide evidence of my spurious claims

XRAYTHIS · 04/03/2024 08:37

The oil slick may well end up polluting Yeman's own fishing waters and cause devastating impact on marine life.

qunari · 04/03/2024 09:01

I doubt the kind of idiots who support Houthis care.

PeasfullPerson · 04/03/2024 09:11

I mean this is correct, but quite laughable coming from people who support the mass bombardment and destruction of Gaza, and the level of damage that is causing to the environment.

XRAYTHIS · 04/03/2024 09:14

PeasfullPerson · 04/03/2024 09:11

I mean this is correct, but quite laughable coming from people who support the mass bombardment and destruction of Gaza, and the level of damage that is causing to the environment.

What are you on about

qunari · 04/03/2024 09:17

PeasfullPerson · 04/03/2024 09:11

I mean this is correct, but quite laughable coming from people who support the mass bombardment and destruction of Gaza, and the level of damage that is causing to the environment.

Who are you referring to?

1dayatatime · 04/03/2024 09:27

@PeasfullPerson

"A Yemini government statement said the ship sank in the southern Red Sea on Friday night and warned of an "environmental catastrophe."

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/yemen-says-rubymar-cargo-ship-165212013.html?guccounter=1&gucereferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmwwcT1odHRwcyUzQSUyRiUyRnVrLm5ld3MueWFob28uY29tJTJGeWVtZW4tc2F5cy1ydWJ5bWFyLWNhcmdvLXNoaXAtMTY1MjEyMDEzLmh0bWwmc2E9VSZ2ZWQ9MmFoVUtFd2lkOVBfMW85cUVBeFdfN2JzSUhVWWxCYmdReGZRQktBQjZCQWdMRUFJJnVzZz1BT3ZWYXcySFE5Wk1taWJzV1pCVFF2WjVJcUFJ&gucereferrerrsig=AQAAAE0wsgBNZlquSEh6kNVxTuME5moMwYP5terJwULcIlJH02pFQIRWVLjfqw23eg1xbSz3kd5k38SrfN1k2nMzoz99U3iRIRfH74z06ltRidHMbJYm3fxMf9y1nST0WBZki8f7TnUMERm055_0DXeOT3mKD-pX4wDwMNLi-K1HMLIC

So by your logic is the Yemini Government "people who support the mass bombardment and destruction of Gaza"?

Sorry but at best your post makes no sense at all and at worst woefully ill informed.

PeasfullPerson · 04/03/2024 09:47

Below, I have rewritten my post for those who couldn’t understand what I wrote the first time.

I mean it’s correct that the sinking of this ship is bad for the environment, but it’s quite laughable to have it highlighted by posters who support the mass bombardment and destruction of Gaza, given the level of damage that this offensive is causing to the environment.

qunari · 04/03/2024 09:59

PeasfullPerson · 04/03/2024 09:47

Below, I have rewritten my post for those who couldn’t understand what I wrote the first time.

I mean it’s correct that the sinking of this ship is bad for the environment, but it’s quite laughable to have it highlighted by posters who support the mass bombardment and destruction of Gaza, given the level of damage that this offensive is causing to the environment.

It's still not clear who you're referring to.

Februaryfeels · 04/03/2024 10:00

XRAYTHIS · 04/03/2024 08:36

To all those supporting The Houthis. The 30 mile oil slick from a cargo ship they sunk.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13151525/Iran-Houthi-target-British-ships-Red-Sea-UK-Rubymar.html

What idiots would chant support of Houthi terrorists.

But Gaza.

XRAYTHIS · 04/03/2024 10:01

PeasfullPerson · 04/03/2024 09:47

Below, I have rewritten my post for those who couldn’t understand what I wrote the first time.

I mean it’s correct that the sinking of this ship is bad for the environment, but it’s quite laughable to have it highlighted by posters who support the mass bombardment and destruction of Gaza, given the level of damage that this offensive is causing to the environment.

You're making assumptions that people who condone the sinking of cargo ships and the resultant environmental damage are unable to be concerned about other things.

I don't comment much on lots of these threads because posters like you make sweeping statements across differeng threads. Each thread then tends to end up the same way, same posters saying the same things. There are hundreds of threads with people appearing to attempt to outdo each other.

I read an article about the damage caused by the ship and you made assumptions by that of other things. It is quite possible to be concerned about a multitude of different things you know.

Do you ever get bored of assuming things?

Februaryfeels · 04/03/2024 10:01

PeasfullPerson · 04/03/2024 09:47

Below, I have rewritten my post for those who couldn’t understand what I wrote the first time.

I mean it’s correct that the sinking of this ship is bad for the environment, but it’s quite laughable to have it highlighted by posters who support the mass bombardment and destruction of Gaza, given the level of damage that this offensive is causing to the environment.

What are you trying to say?

An oil slick that size shouldn't be a concern unless we chant with the mob?

Or am I misunderstanding? Your posts aren't clear

1dayatatime · 04/03/2024 10:05

Thank you @PeasfullPerson that is much clearer.

The only point I now don't understand is who are the posters that are "supporting mass bombardment and destruction of Gaza".

I certainly haven't seen anyone state that but I am happy to be disproved by any links or direct quotes that you can provide.

Personally I am very much against such bombardment and destruction on all sides and only wish that Hamas had not rejected the Egyptian peace plan of December :

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-islamic-jihad-reject-giving-up-power-return-permanent-ceasefire-egyptian-2023-12-25/#:~:text=CAIRO%2C%20Dec%2025%20(Reuters),sources%20told%20Reuters%20on%20Monday.

noblegiraffe · 04/03/2024 10:12

This is my thread and I don’t support the destruction of Gaza.

I also don’t support the attacks on international shipping by terrorists.

I think the people who think that if you are against the destruction of Gaza then it is ok to chant support for terrorists are (at best) idiots.

I also think that anyone who assumes that if you are against terrorist attacks on international shipping then you must be pro the destruction of Gaza must be wedded to a particular worldview of goodies and baddies and black and white thinking that is particularly unhelpful in this crisis.

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noblegiraffe · 04/03/2024 10:47

This thread is about people chanting support for Houthi terrorists on the streets of Britain. There are many other threads to document the destruction of Gaza.

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PeasfullPerson · 04/03/2024 10:51

Thanks for clarifying that @noblegiraffe

I know how terrible the Houthis have been for Yemen and I don’t support their action, would never be out on the streets chanting for them.

This war and its environmental consequences are now literally spilling out across the Middle East.

PeasfullPerson · 04/03/2024 10:52

I assuming if people are concerned about the environment that holds true for whoever the perpetrator is, and felt that those posts were relevant.