"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part two) ***MNHQ has tweaked the title in order to make the quote more clear***

[stomachameleon]

Only the few apparently........these pictures are from todays March. Footage to follow..

Slightly unrelated (or perhaps not) the speaker of the house of commons was told that MPs voting against an immediate ceasefire could be in potential danger from a radical fringe. Not only are we playing for policing costs for these marches but we also may end up having a number of MPs with police protection.

Again the marches inflame opinion and I think are increasingly making this issue a hostile one in the UK. It is the legitimate right for people to advocate for a not immediate ceasefire (which presumably some MPs will) and I fear in a democratic country this ability is being undermined. In the current climate it takes a brave MP to stand up and make the case against an immediate ceasefire.

The irony is that is is obvious in the US and UK that there is actually a concern about civilian death in both sides of this conflict and it is being expressed in diplomatic ways that do not necessarily lead to hatred of the Jewish community here and abroad.

Let's stop inflammatory tik tok politics based on simplistic divide rhetoric and have nature debates. The marches as I have said before aren't a surrogate for sensible debate but just act to demonize Jews and the state of Israel which will ultimately lead to a culture where we could see more passports being defaced.

I find people swear out of exasperation that anyone could put forward an opposing view and to intimidate and shut down disagreement/ debate.

People swear for lots of reasons, and on MN it is allowed and indeed MN used to be described as 'the one with the swearing'. Anyone intimidated by swearing should probably find a different forum to post on.

Awful. That really is a hate filled mob. They did indeed mispronounce ceasefire, free the hostages.

They need arresting, although I imagine they think they are doing something good.

If I take one thing away from this thread (and indeed MN over the last few months), it's that far too many posters seem to think clear acts of antisemitism are just an opposing view. The mind absolutely fucking boggles.

Ooops, I've done a swear again.

Well that’s not acceptable is it, for MPs to be at risk like that. I don’t support that type of action.

However those MPs are at risk because people are upset about the unacceptable killing of innocent civilians in Gaza, not because of the marches.

The public would also be upset if they felt the government had tried to explain away October 7th as a necessary evil. People complaining about these marches forget this factor explains a lot about why people are speaking up for Palestine and not as explicitly or fiercely for Israel.

Calling people loons and useful idiots as well as other choice words because you don’t agree with their actions on these marches doesn’t really provide much depth to the debate either.

agents provocateurs?

However those MPs are at risk because people are upset about the unacceptable killing of innocent civilians in Gaza, not because of the marches.

You could have stopped after your first paragraph.
There isn't actually an excuse for threatening MPs.

Interesting views on here..the marches are completely peaceful but MPs put themselves at risk of harm if they don't vote the way the marchers want them to.

@PeasfullPerson

You say 'However those MPs are at risk because people are upset about the unacceptable killing of innocent civilians in Gaza, not because of the marches.'

Basically condoning threats to MPs because people are upset about a war in another country that we couldn't actually stop even if we all said ceasefire now.

Threats to MPs are not acceptable. Our country cannot be allowed to decend to the mob mentality. What would being violent towards an MP here in the UK do to stop the war. MPs must be allowed to debate in a democracy without fear.

Your view excusing risks to MPs is inexcusable.

Are you suggesting that the people threatening MPs are the same people marching? Where is your evidence for that? It is a tiny cohort of extremists that would go to the lengths of threatening elected politicians. I really don't think it is fair to taint all the peaceful marches with that brush.

@PeasfullPerson

"Well that’s not acceptable is it, for MPs to be at risk like that. I don’t support that type of action.

However those MPs are at risk because people are upset about the unacceptable killing of innocent civilians in Gaza, not because of the marches. "

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This is a really insightful comment and thank you for saying what many on these threads believe but don't want to explicitly state it.

You state that MPs lives are at risk not because of the marches but because people are upset about the killing of innocent civilians in Gaza. Just because people are upset about Gaza in no way justifies putting MPs lives at risk. I get upset about a lot of stuff but I don't think it is acceptable to demonstrate that by putting MPs lives at risk.

The fact that you do see the justification is an increasingly common distortion of the freedom of speech and democratic values where I can say what I want but if I disagree with the other person then there is a justification for their killing. This is in turn a worrying extension of juries acquitting Just Stop Oil protesters or the protesters that toppled the Colton Statue not because they thought they were innocent but because they thought the cause justified the crime. Here it is the cause of stopping the killing of innocents in Gaza justifying the threats to MPs lives.

The next point you make is that the marches themselves are not the problem in the threat to MPs lives. This fails to recognise that the marches themselves can create amongst many (but not all) anger, further polarisation of views and radicalism. This in turn makes it more likely that an individual would see the threat to an MPs life as justifiable or that joining in the mob hate towards an audience member at a "comedy" club becomes part of a normal Saturday night entertainment.

But once again thank you for at least being honest in your views.

@PeasfullPerson You said

"However those MPs are at risk because people are upset about the unacceptable killing of innocent civilians in Gaza, not because of the marches."

Why would Amos be at risk because sure of something happening in the ME

You're surely not excusing it.

Iranians targeted at marches with Anti Hamas placards. I have quite a few bits on this from Iranians living in London. Will post over the day...

www.instagram.com/reel/C3nPErXLiTF/?igsh=MThpdTJkNXh6YnVhZA==x

MPs feeling at risk is a threat to our democracy.
We've already had two good, decent MPs brutally murdered by extremists over the last few years.
There isn't an excuse for that.

MPs feeling at risk is a threat to our democracy.

Exactly. If an individual MP's decision on how to vote is informed by a consideration of their own personal safety, then that is not democracy.

Mob rule. An Iranian who has actually lived under an extreme government tells it how it is, attacked by people here who apparently march for 'peace'.

More and more MPs are saying privately that their voting choice yesterday was affected by their fears for the physical safety of themselves and their families.
We're heading towards a dark and scary place if this is allowed to continue.

@SomeCatFromJapan they need to speak out, cross party and collectively. More protection needs to be in place.

This should not be happening.

Maria Caulfield was on R4 this morning saying that Hoyle’s decision to allow the Labour amendment put Tory MPs at risk because then they would be the only ones not voting for an immediate ceasefire.

So clearly not just a Labour issue. However I found it disappointing that she played party politics in pointing out the risk to the Tories while not acknowledging that Labour MPs therefore had legitimate concerns about the vote and that this issue poses a wider threat to democracy.

Those attempting to separate these threats that are intimidating MPs from the marches should consider whether the people issuing threats might also be attending the marches. I don’t think that the they are two entirely distinct groups, particularly given the behaviour of some on the marches.

R4 also had someone discussing the Prevent program saying that there are a significant number of people who support Hamas in the U.K.

I thought Stella Creasy was interesting in that interview about the physical safety of MPs. She mentioned that the Guardian recently put out an opinion piece encouraging people to protest MP's at their homes! (The article was unrelated to Gaza and do to with green policies, but that's academic to her main point tbh).

got to agree - my earlier reply to you seems to have been deleted - not sure why - will enquire - some places don't allow replies that are just a yellow neg without words as they are considered childish and not helping reasoned debate, exchange of views and info etc. IRL I swerve debates that descend to name calling - same online - convinces me that I am better elsewhere and leave the huddle to it. It's a big world out there - and as I intimated history is a changing - yellow negs can sit on the sidelines.

@PeasfullPerson
@stomachamelon

Perhaps the title of the thread should indeed be amended to :

"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews, British MPs, the Iranian man protesting against Hamas or for that matter anyone else who disagrees with the protesters"