"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part two) ***MNHQ has tweaked the title in order to make the quote more clear***

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Only the few apparently........these pictures are from todays March. Footage to follow..

Ceasefire now/free the hostages

That was there

@Dulra

I agree with the free the hostages sentiment but I wonder if these marchers were particularly welcome? I hope the hostages are indeed freed by Hamas; until then I guess the OFF have the right to try and find and free them?

I’ve witnessed several of the marches. I’m afraid I didn’t feel I would be safe to join with a banner asking for the release of the hostages. It felt like a very one sided March . Yes - there was a huge cross section of people but I still didn’t feel I could join the March as everyone was chanting the same things and waving only one flag . I could completely understand why Jewish people might feel intimidated and very sad.

"Queers against colonialism"

That makes me laugh seeing as most gays have been far safer in Tel Aviv than Ramallah/Gaza City.

Don't they realise that Hamas is a Salafist organisation?

https://salaficentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/RulingOnHomosexualityInIslam.pdf

I also think Offwiththecircus account was very accurate as it did reflect the sorts of things I’ve seen . But the fact remains that I’ve never seen a single placard denouncing Hamas ( apart from the protesters who were then attacked) or any placards about the hostages.
Im not saying there were no placards about the hostages - just that I’ve never seen them ( either in person or in media reports)

There is a long tradition of people taking to the streets.
We are a democracy after all.
See my report from the march above - I saw no anti jewish/semitic signs nor heard any anti jewish.semitic chants.
There were of course some signs in arabic script which I couldn't read. Did you observe the march?

@Myothercarisareliantrobin doesn't mean they should support the Israeli government. There's nothing about Hamas on their banner being against something doesn't mean you automatically support something else

I saw no anti jewish/semitic signs

And yet From the River to the Sea would be enough to get you suspended from Labour, so opinions may vary on that.

Have seen such sneering comments before.
But of course irrelevant.
You have adopted a deliberate zero-sum black and white position.
Where is your proof that those queers were supporting Hamas or persecution of gay people?
Me? I took it that they were protesting against the slaughter of people of all sexualities.

Causing chaos in London doesn't change things. Chanting doesn't change things.

Leaders don't listen to mobs. This can be seen already from the weeks of marching. The focus tends to be on the extremists within the peaceful marchers who spoil the message, the ones attacking the man condemning Hamas. The anti semitic placards. The conspiracy theory placard, that's what people are talking about.

Meanwhile, the hostages are still held, hamas still run gaza and people are still dying.

Maybe release hostages placards, hamas surrender, release uncharged detainees, peace for all, mediation needed. Not singing endlessly about from the river ....appeal to more people the ones who want to see both sides perspectives. It feels very pro pal and not pro peace hence lots wouldn't feel comfortable walking alongside. Just an opinion. The current marches in current format aren't working.

A question for those people who go on the marches or support the marches. ..
Why were the marches so focused on blaming Israel right from the very beginning - just after the horror of 7/10 ? Why were the marches not asking for the release of hostages at that early point in time ?

@Offwiththecircus he was @in the picture I posted on here likening him to Gobbels which is highly offensive.

And whether you saw it or not there were lots of signs and people were arrested.

I don't doubt they we're in the minority to to accuse him of a pre conceived lie? He was right.

Btw the march was supposed to start later due to events doing on in the community and synagogues. That was not adhered too although agreed to by the leaders of the marches which also tells you something.

@ABCDEFGHIJK123456
Just an opinion. The current marches in current format aren't working.
Possibly not but many people feel it's still worth doing. Who am I to judge how someone chooses to spend their Saturday afternoon. I lived in London for many years and there were groups marching for various different issues most weekends, this isn't new or unusual. Maybe the huge number is but not marching as a legitimate form of protest.

I think the marches are providing a safe space for Hamas sympathisers and ant semites and I don’t think the good people on the marches are doing anything about that apart from saying they haven’t seen anything…

Oh, so they're not supporting Palestine then?

Gays get killed in Palestine.

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-immigration-west-bank-gay-rights-ce95f6903faf461502cc0800b272b159

"Causing chaos in London"

Where?

Where are you?

Any chaos your way?

I’m in London. It’s costing a fortune to police those marches.
It would become chaos but we paying through the nose to make sure it doesn’t

Your point is that Beni is slaughtering in the cause of gay rights?

Some really bizarre convoluted logic at work, methinks.

You post is so weird it doesn't deserve an answer.

well if in London I suggest you go along and witness the marches (up to you whether you join) as a citizen - one of the good things about being in London is that you can hop on a bus/your bike and witness things for yourself without being fed bent news by whoever.
Yep, democracy has certain up-front costs.
So it's not chaos then?
The policing wasn't "forceful" from what I saw as of course we largely have policing by consent in this country.
It wasn't forceful because the march was peaceful/there was consent on both sides.
Maybe it's this consent which you don't like?
You want a more dictatorial line by the authorities?
Do you have any favoured dictators?

There have been discussions elsewhere of the atrocities of 7/10, of the use of rape as a weapon of war. There have been accusations with no proof that Israel has done this too.
I wish there was some acknowledgement of this, some condemnation from these people, but we see signs saying 'you don't get to choose how we resist'.
These people have chosen their side and justified what happened to women, children and babies in the name of the state they support.
I do not see people calling for peace.

I think there are two arguments being presented on this thread. One is around the concern with antisemitism being on display at the marches and the safety of Jewish people living in London the other seems to be a debate about which side of the conflict people should be on. I think the second is muddying the waters of the first and drowning out the legitimate concern for Jewish people

Please can I ask- are the children allowed to wear a pin with the Israeli flag?

I can understand- though disagree with aspects of - your reasoning, but could come to the same conclusion that neither Israeli nor Palestinian flags are appropriate to wear at this time.

They took those flags to celebrations in the streets after 7/10. Now they use them to accuse Israel of genocide with no acknowledgement of what precipitated those horrors.
Apparently only Palestinian babies and children matter and it's a numbers game.
Forget that on 7/10 adults looked at women children and babies face to face before they tortured, raped, maimed, murdered, kidnapped.
If they can justify that they are hypocrites at best and complicit at worst.