"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part two) ***MNHQ has tweaked the title in order to make the quote more clear***

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Only the few apparently........these pictures are from todays March. Footage to follow..

If you do not condemn the actions hamas took in the name of Palestinian 'resistance' you dehumanise Israelis and by extension the Jewish diaspora.(what happened to never again?)

We have seen those flags used by antisemites, if you truly want a peaceful 2 state solution then you need to make it clear what that flag stands for because many of us see it as a big 'fuck you' to Israel and the diaspora and that is unacceptable.

It isn't even an original flag - it's the flag of Syria with the star taken off.

Some people don't have much imagination.🙄

I know it is a (relatively) new flag, the people who use it are responsible for what it stands for.

This is where we are now.

So now you've resorted to slagging off Palestinians and their flag? Pretty low yet you expect such a higher standard from everyone else

We've had this conversation already about the flag and I don't think you should delegitimise any nations flag. Palestinians are dying in their thousands, children are dying, they are starving, living in tents, they are losing their land but go ahead keep kicking them when they're down.

Pretty shocking thing to say. Do you mean the Palestinians are dead so it's now queer friendly?

It's another one of those posters that joined MN solely posts on this board, often makes little sense with no real attempts to engage meaningfully, then disappears.

I'm not sure there's much point in engaging with state funded propaganda tbh.

Yes we have.
I'm not kicking anyone. I don't question it's legitimacy, I question it's use.
I don't know which side of the divide in Ireland you may favour but it was widely thought that the Orangemen marches were antagonistic.
It's reasonable to question how a protest affects social cohesion.
The Palestinian flag has a lot of hangers on who care less about peace and more about war it seems.

How bloody rude.
Dont make stupid assumptions about people you don’t know. It’s ignorant. I’ve gone and witnessed several marches and would have joined them if they had one or two people who condemned Hamas. I don’t rely on “bent news” . Dictators?You’re confirming my view that the people in the marches are pretty dictatorial about what is allowed/ not allowed to be said.

I’m more on the fence with this. I don’t think the flag itself is the issue , I think it’s how it is used that becomes problematic. e.g. deliberately targeting visibly Jewish areas and waving the flag shouting free Palestine is an act of intimidation. I think it’s about context - if you are holding a Palestinian flag and screaming for intifada against Israel/jews then that’s subverting the flag and using it for aggression and intimidation
if you’re holding a vigil and waving a Palestinian flag, or displaying it in your window, then there’s no issue.

Displaying the flag isn’t inherently anti semitic in my opinion, but because unfortunately anti semitic acts have been done in the name of Palestine/ while displaying the flag, for a lot of Jews the flag is intrinsically linked and causes discomfort.

It reminds me of one of the Muslim posters who explained the meaning of allahu akbar, I think they said it’s a call to prayer- again it’s shocking that a prayer has been subverted and twisted by some extremists to a war cry, and now unfortunately theres a negative association for some people.

I don’t know how, or even if you can police intent, though I don’t think banning the flag is the answer. It needs to be reclaimed somehow

Sorry takes me so long to formulate my thoughts, the conversation is already miles ahead by the time I post 🙈

You've said it better than me.

Yes, as far as I know allahu akhbar means god is great.

Off with the circus
Do you have any favoured terrorists?

I would struggle to name many countries flag that hasn't had an atrocity pinned to it at some stage.

@EllaDisenchanted agree it needs to be reclaimed but I don't think Palestinians in Gaza are in any position at the moment to do that

TBF it's the protesters in London who have more power over that @Dulra .

True, I guess I'm so conscious of the horrific suffering Gazans are currently experiencing and I would hate their flag to be tarnished as well, they have nothing.

That seems to be the greater plan - remove the flag, remove their identification, silence their voices and then they can’t be.

I don’t have any problem with the Palestinian flag - it’s more the fact that the marchers don’t condemn Hamas.

Surely we all agree that Hamas have not been good for the Palestinians? Why the reluctance on the marches to condemn Hamas as well as the Israeli government ?

Maybe have another read of the last few posts.

this is what i meant

Many of us are, many Jewish and Israeli people too.

I attended the march yesterday as a member of the Jewish bloc.

I at no point felt unsafe or threatened, I am not 'intimidated' by Palestinian flags,

Interestingly, the Jewish bloc were using 'From the river to the sea...' as a chant, which I wasn't sure about given its origins but I guess they are trying to reclaim it as there being options for Palestinians to live free without the destruction of Israel either? Some of the bloc were overt anti-Zionist Jews, but they were a minority - most of us were there because we care about Israel and we don't see any future for Israel if it continues down this path.

Some people had placards also about ending Hamas and bringing hostages too, but remember these are marches for Palestine, not for bringing hostages home, there have been and will continue to be events for that.

What happened on 7th October was horrific. But what does this continuing onslaught achieve? How is it bringing more than a few hostages home? How do we know the bombardment hasn't killed dozens of the hostages by now? When will the people of Gaza have 'suffered enough' so that we're somehow even for 7th October? Because it seems to me that point was passed some time ago.

And it's telling that the only time hostages have been returned in any number have been when a third party brokered a ceasefire and exchange.

Is was is happening in Gaza literally, technically 'genocide'? I find the argument distateful - because whatever it is, Israel's response is also an abomination. And two abominations do not make a right, do not make a future.

@Echobelly thank you for joining and supporting us.

Whose greater plan?