Documenting the horror that is Hamas part two

[stomachameleon]

Part two of the thread
@25milesfromhome were where we?

If I lived next to a country governed by Hamas I would want the biggest army I could have!

So 18/19 year old children are to blame for the conflict and getting killed or raped

Seriously some people need to listen to themselves

The year 13 at my secondary school are 18 already or by the end of August this year. Trust me despite some of them thinking they are now adults, day to day school behaviour shows most are very much not.

Many countries have service at this age around the world. My friend serviced in Spain years ago. This is seen as a sign of adulthood in a lot of cultures. The trouble with some people is they look through life with the lens of their own culture

Never heard of him.

He's some twat Hamas fanboy "journalist" on X with about half a million followers. He did a post about the girls that was almost verbatim what we were treated to on here.

maybe they could refuse to join hamas......that would make a big difference

Israeli border control = fair game
Every single Palestinian = innocent

Fascinating stuff.

How does one report a poster, rather than individual posts, to MN?

I think you'd need to report an individual post and then explain in the text box.

@etmoiandme that makes a lot of sense!

There is a post upthread with the interview by Chen Goldstein who met some of these girls and confirmed upon her release that they said they had been sexually assaulted at gunpoint. But you prefer to believe Hamas, which says a lot about you.

And btw, Naama Levy was on her very first posting and had only been there THREE DAYS.

https://stand4israel.net/media/t/1_t8x2tc73

I’m certainly not victim blaming. These soldiers have not been questioned or debriefed so nobody knows, you cannot accuse people of rape without proof. Even Haaretz is claiming that there is no actual evidence, it’s all what “they said”.
If it is proven, then I TOTALLY CONDEMN IT ( in upper case just to be actually clear) but there has been so many claims and lies coming out from the IDF which then gets retracted and debunked, why should we take what they say as gospel when they are know liars ( that is undeniable) with such shocking propaganda lies ( ie 40 beheaded babies) etc etc etc.

"At a Knesset hearing, a relative of a hostage begged for urgent action in case any of the raped female hostages are pregnant.

"What happened to the women. What happens to the women. We know there is a chance that some of them are pregnant...now is the only time that abortions can still be performed.""

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1744476984216875119

If they are IDF soliders captured from a military base as a result of a Hamas attack; then they are lawful combatants and therefore their legal status is as a POW, not a hostage.

POWs do have rights under the Geneva Convention that include not being raped, beaten, given the basic necessities of life- all the human rights and then some further rights.

So civilians took her and sold her to Hamas. Are these the innocent civilians that we hear of. Hamas would struggle without support of these innocent civilians.

I was talking about you claiming the 4 IDF soldiers had been raped, how can they describe what happened to them if they are still captive ?

The last pause in fighting ended because Hamas wouldn’t let these girls go. There are 17 of them and it’s too painful to contemplate what is being done to them.

Here’s some testimony from another hostage who met some of them. ‘There were girls who spent 50 days and more alone,' she said. 'When they were sad, crying, their captors would stroke them and touch them. They described accounts of sexual abuse under gunpoint on a regular basis.

That quote was from another hostage, who was with them.

Again, it's in the fucking article.

I agree with your first paragraph, my caveat is that right minded people have never supported hamas,.

The hate, the brainwashing, the misinformation.
Judge a person by their actions and I know what I see.
It seems anyone who stands against them in Gaza will suffer but those who carry out war crimes will be rewarded. Evil people beyond the understanding of most of us.

If they are IDF soliders captured from a military base as a result of a Hamas attack; then they are lawful combatants and therefore their legal status is as a POW, not a hostage.

They were taken by a terrorist organisation. There was no conflict at the time. They are hostages.

Oh look, the Hamas defender in chief has found the new thread.

So whenever someone says they were sexually assaulted, you don't believe them until there is some kind of proof?

I hope to god you don't have daughters.

4% is 80,000 but Hamas themselves have said around 23,000 are dead so why the 4%?

I presume they're picking more numbers of out thin air?

Hamas maths.

My heart is breaking for those poor girls, can you imagine what they are doing to them every day, I’m just devastated can you imagine if that was your daughter granddaughter .

@stomachameleon
Anyone on duty in the armed forces is a combatant. They do not have to be “in active combat” to be considered combatants. They are not hostages. This is not an opinion. This is a legal status.
If you’d like to learn more about the difference, I would suggest this written by Justice Aharon Barak which summarises the international law on the topic and then elucidates the Israeli interpretation of that law. Even by Israeli interpretation by their former head of the Israeli Supreme Court, and currently the Israeli justice that will sit on the board of judges at the ICJ for the SA genocide case- it is clear that anyone in the armed forces is a combatant, male or female.
https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/israel-targeted-killings-case

I guess we go on the Nakba thread and start demanding proof for every single atrocity they've mentioned on there? And then only accept testimonies from the directly injured parties. So if someone witnessed rape, we can call them liars. And if someone says it happened to them we ask for proof of it. Seems reasonable, yes? I mean, obviously those directly affected will probably be dead by now as it was so long ago. So actually, I guess none of it happened?

Fucking hell, some people.