Towards a sustainable peace

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I think for a peace to be obtained constructive dialogue has to be started but in order for this to happen in my opinion Palestine has to acknowledge and their leaders publically denounce the heinous acts of October 7th and make clear such an event will never be repeated.

There have been to many senior Palestinian politicians wishing their grievances to be heard without mentioning October 7th and this will only have the effect of enraging Israel.

We need Palestinian leadership that is willing to sit down with Israeli leaders and from the outset denounce violence specifically making it absolutely clear there will be no 'revenge' for the current Israeli incursion.

We also need to be pragmatic and understand Israel will not be giving Gaza any financial aid so it will be up to the richer gulf states primarily to discuss funding some sort of rebuilding within Gaza. Also eventually there needs to be opportunities for Palestinians to emigrate in order to gain jobs and allow future generations to thrive. I think ultimately you would have to view Gaza as a city state with a multi million rebuilding package coming from those supportive nations in the middle east.

We also need to ensure education in Gaza is such that anti semitiism isn't promoted from a young age so we have a chance for a generation of Palestinians growing up knowing the only way forward is peace.

I think there is a peace to be had if both sides want it and are willing to negotiate positivist with a commitment to prevent terrorism and ensure there is security for both parties.

Rabin assassination

Below is quite a troubling Wiki article about the assassination of Rabin and why the 1993 peace process signed by Rabin and Arafat failed. In terms of the background to the assassination (which was carried out by an ultranationalist Israeli law student), our friend Netanyahu’s name comes up quite a lot.

I had a look at some wiki entries on ultranationalism and a lot of it struck a chord.

Netanyahu has a lot of nerve, blaming lack of peace on the Palestinians.

There will never be peace while he is in power. He belongs in prison.

@Thereissomelight That Netanyahu may have played a role in helping to incite the murder is well known. Rabin's wife Leah spoke out against him on many occasions.

@etmoiandme that's interesting I never knew that. What a tragedy his death was, he seemed like a good man.

He was both a pacifist and very courageous and it cost him his life.

@Parkingt111 Honestly, it can never be overstated how much of a tragedy that was. Leah Rabin published an autobiography, which I think you'd find interesting.

@etmoiandme thank you, I will see if I can find it on amazon

This.

I think one of the very few positives glimmers that have come out of the last few months is that both the Israeli people and the West are finally acknowledging Netanyahu for who he is.

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This article is from January 2023.
Again, a real nerve to claim that all was peace and fluffiness before Oct 7.

I think given the manner of death of both Israelis and Palestinians in number ultimately surely from a humanitarian view this must be a huge motivation for peace at some point? We don't want to revisit 2023.

Personally I hope we are over the most bloodiest part of this war and it is seeming less and less likely Hamas forces are capable of acting as a military force.

A challenge now is how long in reality a tent city can be maintained near Rafah and how the U.N. can support it. In reality the U.N. probably has a mixed relationship with Israel from an institutional perspective so there could be challenges there. One question I have is would it look like the U.N. would be facilitating Israeli strategy by maintaing a tent city indefinitely to allow Israeli mopping up operations? I don't think the Palestinians will necessarily be grateful for aid when constituent countries of the U.N. specifically the U.S. are invested in Israel.

Further afield I don't think there is going to be major escalation as it is in none of the regional players' interests.

However I do think there may have been a hole from Hamas that Hezbollah and maybe Iran may have launched major operations against Israel and perhaps there is still that hope? Ultimately Hamas laying down arms quickly will help the immediate ceasefire and ending of civilian deaths to take hold

I think it would considerably help if Israel allows sufficient humanitarian aid into Gaza. How would it work with Israel being involved in the future running of Gaza if they were found to have committed war crimes or even genocide in Gaza? Will not help in gaining trust of Gazans? I wonder if they will also need to pay reparations for the destruction they have caused? Might help with rebuilding Gaza for Palestinians?

Sky news is reporting that Blinken has said he has secured commitments for re-building Gaza from four Arab states and Turkey. However the US and Israel are still deeply divided on who will take over the leadership of Gaza after the war

Taken from Sky:
"But the US and Israel remain deeply divided over how Gaza will operate when - and if - its Hamas rulers are defeated.
US officials have called for the Palestinian Authority, which currently governs parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank, to take over and for negotiations to resume on the creation of a Palestinian state.
Israeli leaders have refused both."

It doesn't mention the four Arab states but seeing as he has just visited Jordan, Qatar, UAE and Saudi then I am guessing it might be them

@Parkingt111

I guess it depends on what you consider leadership. There may be a separation of security responsibility and civilian governance. I wonder what the Arab states get in return for the rebuilding costs? I guess it is in their interests to have non violent
Palestinian governance as they wouldn't want to pay for another rebuild in 10 years time.