Catastrophic hunger - 40% of Gaza's population at risk of famine

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Being reported by the Guardian:

40% of Gaza’s population is at risk of famine, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency said on Saturday.

“Every day is a struggle for survival, finding food and water,” the UN agency for Palestinian refugees added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/30/israel-gaza-war-live-hamas-palestinians-khan-younis-deaths-un-aid-us#:~:text=40%25%20of%20Gaza's%20population%20is,is%20grappling%20with%20catastrophic%20hunger.

Too sad and completely unnecessary. If only adequate aid, food and water was allowed in.

Stop lying then? Unless you can produce the post where I said "Islamophobia doesn't exist". I have never said that. Something that is not true, is a lie.

The comment replied you on had nothing to do with Islamophobia. Yet you called another person liar. You’ve done it a few times in the last few days.

Here is your comment. You should delete it and apologise and stop trying to blame the victim for you posting a lie. It's disgraceful.

Who:
27 children reportedly died from malnutrition in #Gaza, since October 2023. This number will grow if a ceasefire doesn't happen immediately and safety is not ensured for a scaled up aid delivery

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1775538981033164850

I was not aware you were Jewish I knew you were from the middle east but I thought you lived in the UK

It's so blindingly obvious
Well it's not blindingly obvious to me at all! I am Irish it is a well used jibe over here if someone is going on about something in support of a service they've had, or a product they'd bought you'd often say as a joke "are they paying you?"

You asked whether I worked for the UN so you obviously saw some kind of link to what I was posting to that organisation.

Anyway I see it's been deleted but I think you need to accept that not everyone is familiar with anti-semitic tropes and maybe advising me that it was as opposed to jumping down my neck I could have apologised and got the post removed. Educating people is far more effective than demonising them.

and also by Palestinians themselves who are at high risk of stealing the aid, and by the circumstances of war making access difficult and dangerous. You have transformed this to "blocked by Israel at every turn".

Which as I've pointed out happens in most humanitarian crises aid agencies are used to dealing with it but the conditions in Gaza for distributing aid, the fact that Israel won't allow them enough access routes so they've to travel longer distances or access to communication equipment makes it a lot harder to deal with looting. You said yourself you're not that familiar with humanitarian aid efforts so why are you making yourself out to be such an expert in it?

They say a ceasefire is essential to solve the crisis. If that's the case, the hostages will need to be returned.
A humanitarian ceasefire to let aid in but Israel can't use the provision of humanitarian aid as a negotiating tool for a ceasefire that is a war crime!

I am cringing now really. It comes across as you not caring at all about hungry people and just using these boards to express your feelings about Israel. It's horrible.
Don't cringe on my behalf I am responding to inaccuracies, correcting misinformation and my feelings are nothing to do with Israelis or Israel I have a huge issue though with the Israeli government and the IDF who have done their level best to disrupt access to aid and medical supplies for innocent civilians

Of course people are looting, there isn't enough food and water getting in I imagine people are bloody desperate . I don't think any country would react any differently after 6 months of what they have gone through

People get accused of being Russian bots all of the time. Chinese bots are a thing people mention too. I don't know if Sudan is known for paying for people to post about them online? If someone was on here defending Russia for 2 days solid you can guarantee someone would accuse them of being a Russian bot.

It’s not really the same thing at all as Russian/Chinese bots.

Can you say why? Because Israel has advanced government information services (like Russia and China) in a way Sudan (mentioned by PP) doesn't. The UK and US do too. Pretending advanced nuclear powers don't use misinformation and propaganda is really disingenuous. Of course they do and they are very good at it.

I do understand that antisemitism is a massive issue. But assuming it's ALWAYS malicious, racist commentary when it really isn't, just means people get defensive. And it does seem to be a feature of this conflict that this accusation is used to shut down perfectly reasonable debate. I do sometimes wonder if antisemites sometimes accuse people just to fire the defensive response.

I still can't get past a PP thinking that 38% below famine time rations is just dandy.

Luckily their maths is wrong and the situation is not quite that dire.

Not "famine rations". The ideal intake. It is 38% below the ideal intake. Almost a kilo of food a day isn't "famine rations". I am not even sure "famine rations" is a thing -did you just make it up? Why can't people make a point without the ridiculous twisting of obvious nonsense and silly games? Is this issue a joke to you?

Because Russians have not experienced multiple genocides, human rights abuses and millennia of persecution because people said they were "bots".

Jews have experienced all those things because of antisemitic hate, which is rooted in the classic idea that Jews are plotting for their own agenda. Typified by accusations of being paid, controlling governments, the media, acting sneakily behind closed doors, spreading disease and so on.

I blame Covid, when there was a surge in people doing their own research and deciding they knew better than the experts. It's a common issue these days. Imposing a siege was always going to create desperation, and people trapped in a war zone, moving from pillar to post, with frequent comms blackouts etc. are not going to be able to maintain law and order. The civilians of Palestine have no way to make Hamas surrender, and Netanyahu has said the return of the hostages will not be sufficient for a ceasefire. There needs to be true safe zones, not areas which are later bombed, and there needs to be protection for aid workers, not killing them. Those things are within the power of Israel, as is allowing the entry of more aid.

Gunmen, from Hamas and other armed clan groups are looting entire trucks full of aid and food for hungry people. And you think the rotters are doing this awful thing because they're hungry?

I give up. I am done. Good luck to you all. This thread is completely mad.

Because Russians have not experienced multiple genocides, human rights abuses and millennia of persecution because people said they were "bots".

They have. They've just been internal, rather than external exterminations.

And yes, it's true, the trope of sneaky dodginess is very harmful. And yes, was used by the German propaganda machine to justify genocide. But does that mean that Israel gets to have one of the world's most advanced information systems but no one can ever have a conversation about it? Ever again, regardless of motive?

Subjecting a nation to semi-starvation for a prolonged duration is not a joke.

I assume that you still stand by a 38% deficit diet being just fine.

Do you have a link/source that verifies that Hamas has been stealing the aid?

im asking because the last I read was that Israel hasn’t still proven their accusations

and no I’m not denying some are stealing the aid but want to know whether this has been fully confirmed

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-envoy-israel-hasnt-provided-specific-evidence-hamas-is-stealing-aid-shipments/amp/

Are you seriously sitting there telling me that Russians have experienced multiple genocides, human rights abuses and millennia of persecution because people said they were "bots".

You know that is completely not true.

Comparing this to antisemitic tropes used for impetus to brutally murder millions of people is really awful.

I posted earlier in the thread the report from the WFP. They state aid has a high risk of looting. I have seen videos of multiple masked and armed gangs stealing aid. I do not know if they were Hamas or other armed gangs. They are Palestinian people stealing food meant for the hungry, and that's the point regardless of which gang they work for.

You think all the looting is being done by hamas and there are no desperate civilians who don't have enough to eat just trying to get some?

You think they are waiting in an orderly queue to be handed a bit of extra food or something?

Honestly , you've not seen trucks having to throw food to desperate man, women and children because the IDF won't let the trucks stop?

You think hamas and other armed clan groups are stealing all the food,

Neh, I really don't think you believe that at all

Are you seriously sitting there telling me that Russians have experienced multiple genocides, human rights abuses and millennia of persecution because people said they were "bots".

You're leaning heavily on those "".

As I said, the trope is deeply harmful. And people who refer to Jewish people in these terms are paranoid antisemites.

However, Israel, not Jewish people, Israel, has a massively advanced and sophisticated intelligence machine. And every reference to it, and its workings, isn't antisemitism. Very throw away comment about being paid isn't either.

I've slagged off the CIA on here and Bush senior in particular. I don't hold random Americans, or random people who happen to share religion or culture with Americans responsible for the CIA.

And I know why Jewish people are feeling threatened at the moment. But defending even partially starving women, children and non-combatants isn't a defensible position.

Just listened to Unicef Officer on C4. She did say that having to traverse a war zone from South to North is making things harder. Famine is worse in the North, and it would be really helpful to open a crossing(s) in the North, she advised, so help can be brought directly to the people without having to risk lives driving the aid there. Might be something Israel could do.

This is very tiring.

I think you know what just happened is that someone said something pretty overtly racist. If I was Black and someone had just used a classic racial trope used to harm Black people over millenia, absolutely nobody would be saying "ackshually this is just like when people accuse others online of being Russian bots so therefore it's fine".

No one is defending partially starving women, children and non-combatants. I think you completely know that too, don't you? I think you're 100% aware (and I think a lot of posters are aware) that I obviously do not want anyone to starve. I have expressed that several times.

What I am very clearly, and very explicitly saying "it is not 100% Israel's fault". An opinion on this forum which seems to elicit wild rage, personal attacks, racist tropes and an afternoon of people making up things I never said.

Cheers and good evening.