I feel sick (serious trigger warning)

[Solaris89]

All things considered, this is the worst thing I’ve ever read (and I’ve studied a lot of history).

Seriously, if you are a survivor of SA it’s probably best you do not read this article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-harrowing-detail-nyt-shows-weaponization-of-rape-sexual-violence-during-oct-7/

Didn't take long. Shameful behaviour

I am also against the bombing of Palestine but I think this thread should be about the women who suffered. It is disrespectful to everyone suffering on both sides to bicker when tragedies like this are happening. We're all human. We can all take a moment to react with humanity.

Frankly you can do what you like but you are looking like a total fuckwit for doing it on this thread about this topic

Just so you are clear about that and how whenever readers see your username from now on they will remember you from this. Therefore you have seriously devalued and serious information or facts or opinion you post. Readers will now only see you as as having no empathy and very serious bias. So not listen to a word you post.

However knock yourself out with saying genocide and acting like a bit of an arse
on this thread honey

This. If OJ was as principled as he assures us then there wouldn't have been any problem with unequivocally condemning what happened on 7/10 without the full smorgasbord of "but", "need even more evidence" caveats. I mean, he went to an actual screening of what happened that day FFS.

Why isn’t OJ being cancelled?

It is possible to acknowledge and feel sick about what happened to those poor women on 7 October and also to feel sickened by what is being done in Gaza, to feel it is unjustified (and entirely counterproductive in trying to stop terrorism given the hatred it will generate). There are many threads talking about the horrors in Gaza, why does this thread need to be derailed? Is it because people can only see in black and white and don’t want to acknowledge that the Israelis do face a very real threat from Gaza? I’ve always been very critical of Israel’s actions in Palestine but I guess I understand a little more now why - although the actions of the settlers or the extent of civilian death can never be justified. Feeling desperately sorry for those affected in the October 7 doesn’t stop you feeling desperately sorry for the Gazans too, you know?

I don’t know how there can be peace when Hamas says they want to perpetuate their war crimes over and over again.

as a thought experiment, Israel lays down arms immediately and pulls every soldier back from Gaza; what do you think happens?

I don’t think a single hostage would be released in this scenario. I think bombs would continue to be directed at Israel from all sides of their borders. And I think Hamas would regroup, steal more aid money, and plan more terrorist attacks to kill more Jews.

I think people calling got a ceasefire are really just calling for Israel never to fight back and accept the slaughter of their people. I wonder how dead Israelis is enough.

Looking at some of the pictures it could be my DC butchered and mutilated with civilians dancing around their bodies

Looking at the images and videos I have seen it could have been my Jewish daughter that was kidnapped, murdered, tortured or/and raped

See how this worked you are not the only one with any connection to what happened and judging by what you just wrote most of us have way more connection to what happened than yourself. So try to have some empathy for these women and girls plus stop derailing the thread

We basically just posted the same thing at the same time

A hug from myself to you. I don't think some people realised the trauma or the impact that this has caused on anyone other than Gazens/arabs or at least that is what it feels like sometimes

Very sad to see this thread get de-railed by the pro-Hamas rabble and rape apologists. Very sad and disgusted.

But what I find most egregious is people commenting who don’t know the first thing about the history of this conflict (but claim to!), placing all the blame on one party - Israel - and ignoring and/or rationalising the violence of the other side. Ahistorical, mendacious nonsense. While Israelis are very tough negotiators, at least historically they have been pragmatic and interested in solutions. Palestinians and Arab leaders take no responsibility for the disaster they have brought on their own people, both by the ineptness of their leadership and the autocracy and corruption of their governments.

Women, children and men were brutally raped, tortured and some even mutilated (in the genital region) on Oct 7th. Hostages are still going through it! For them Oct 7th never ended. I’ll never understand why ALL women can’t just condone what Hamas did - where is your humanity FGS?

I think it leaves you as someone like the rest of us, just trying to digest everything that has happened and is happening

Not sure why you have mentioned being accused of being a Hamas support but that is just another BUT on this thread in a post it seems.

I would say the newspaper investigation into this was pain staking and excellent. Imagine if they had got a detail wrong. It would have been used by some to discredit every other accurate detail. They do not deserve criticism for taking time to conduct such extensive reporting.

Because currently it is fashionable to be critical of everything Israel does and deny most of what Hamas have done and said. It doesn't matter what the evidence either way guilty or not guilty they don't want to here it anyway. They just want to hear vile idiots like OJ that say what they want to hear.

Because currently it is fashionable to be critical of everything Israel does and deny most of what Hamas have done and said.

Fashionable??? Really?
Nothing to do with the FACT that the Israeli government and IDF are genocidal maniacs?? How many Palestinian people have been murdered so far? Last I heard the figure was around 30,000 although there’s so many under rubble that it’s impossible to get an accurate number.

Yes fashionable to be only about to think about one side of the conflict and be obsessed with what is happening to only one side

Case in point proven because you couldn't even read and understand my post properly

It is perfectly possible to be critical of Israel and appalled by what is going on in Gaza and to be disgusted and horrified by the incredibly upsetting reports of what Hamas did on October 7th and the continued plight of the hostages.

@doubleshift I think that makes you normal tbh.

Anyway after all that derailing, sorry if I was part of that.

I simply ca not imagine what these journalists have to go through when they look through all the evidence of the pogrom. The video shown to most the media sounds bad enough. I couldn't do there job that's for sure

Absolutely

@TwilightSkies is this thread really the right place to echo what you have said on 2739 other threads.
This thread.

www.heyalma.com/israel-guide/history-of-israel-palestine-before-1948/

Just in case anyone is interested....

Are you that dismissive of all massacres that happen on one day? 9/11? So what, it was one day why fixate on it. Kristallnacht? It was over in a night and the deathtoll of WW2 was much higher so stop talking about it.

And another for the 'it all started in 1948' rewriters of history.

www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/israel-arab-conflicts-creation-state-israel

No, the creation of Israel didn’t start this, people in the region have been trying to kill the Jews for the past 5000 years.