Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12878659/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-marches-intimidate-British-Jews-tolerate-hatred-streets.html

He raises some interesting ideas.

no one would be alive and nothing would be standing

Your definition of carpet bombing (aka ‘strategic bombing’) is incorrect.

I’m not going to take the time to go through that disingenuous, hate-stirring propaganda line by line but I just wanted to say that it’s perfectly possible - indeed rational - to deplore the fascist slaughter and humiliation of Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank without hating Jews.

This article (by an Israeli intellectual, not a shockjock English racist) is more considered, I think.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/world/israel/64132/all-that-remains

Israel's frenzied revenge attack on Gaza has been nothing short of reckless. The thinking can only be the means justifies the end.
I would urge those who are still in denial to go and look at the sort of bombs used in dense civilian areas and the impact they have. Compare it to the wars even in the last 20 years and you will find nothing compares to the bombing campaign of Gaza.
It is indefensible

It will certainly make the horrifying list from amongst the worst bombing campaigns in history

No, I didn’t mean organise your own March, there is nothing to stop you joining the regular ones, you will be perfectly safe.

But yet people will defend it time and time again. Why?
I fear the West Bank will be next.

I Believe I read over 70% of infrastructure is still ok and this has affected 1% of the population: too many yes but hardly 'carpet bombing'

What do you mean by 'this has affected 1% of the population' @moosmama123 ? Do you mean killed? Israel have killed 1% of the population in less than 3 months? 25% of the population are at starvation levels. 40% at risk of famine. 2.5% of the population have been injured. 85% population have been displaced. 100% of some bloodlines have been wiped out. So I presume you mean killed, Israel have killed 1% of the population because I sincerely doubt that there is a single person in Gaza that hasn't been 'affected'.

Expect your post to be deleted as you have used the term "fascist" in your post. Mine was. Censorship is rife on this forum.

@moosmama123

I Believe I read over 70% of infrastructure is still ok

Yes, that’s right – 30% of the infrastructure has been destroyed.

THIRTY PERCENT

Yes, Hamas caused this. The Gazans need to direct their ire at Hamas. Had Hamas not done what it did they would be living as before. If a nation like Israel (or the US in 9.11) is attacked in that way that is how we retaliate to defend our states. That is why we (and indeed north Korea) have nuclear weapons - to deter people doing this kind of thing like killing 1200 Israelis and slitting the throats of babies or bombing the world trade centre and killing almost 3000 people.

So people like Isis and Hamas need to think twice before these kinds of incursions/murders. We might appear calm and weak in the West but we are the most powerful nations on earth and you don't mess with us.

So I will be safe on a pro- Palestinian March if I carry anti Hamas placards? I won’t meet the kinds of people who tear down hostage posters? That’s odd because I’ve seen news reports that suggest otherwise.

@Auvergne63 yes, I’ve had experience of that too, I was quite taken aback. It was a post about finding it hard to get into the spirit of Xmas when there was such bloody conflict in the heart of the Holy Land.

“Israel do not give a solitary shit about hostages. If they did why are they carpet bombing the place where the hostages are held”

But the families of the hostages and , hopefully, millions of others DO give a shit .
That is why the marches should call for BOTH a ceasefire AND a release of hostages AND a condemnation of Hamas .

(Not sure what the “wide eyed bewilderment “ refers to? )

There you’ve answered the question of why people in the U.K. want to protest. Israel is effectively ‘the West’. Many people had a foolish belief that we are generally ‘better’ than many other places as in we don’t condone things like war crimes and mass slaughter of innocent children. We should be neutral in this, condemning both the abhorrent actions of both ‘governments’ and we should be working towards a diplomatic solution which is the only way this conflict will ever be resolved. It can be done, it has been done. That’s why people are so angry and want to protest.

They don't carpet bomb because they know the USA would not stand for it,

Your definition of carpet bombing (aka ‘strategic bombing’) is incorrect.

So not agreed stance on it then?

@Fynetanksfather how much infrastructure was dismantled and used post Israel withdrawing from Gaza to fire rockets into Israel?

Your message is incoherent – it’s not clear what your saying

Passed an oxfam shop today. An appeal in the window to sign a petition for a ceasefire. Will little john and the mail be ranting against this? Will some busy folks on here be slagging off Oxfam as anti Semitic? Will they still claim, on no presented evidence, that this country is right behind them?

I’ve seen many people on the walks with placards calling for a ceasefire and the hostages released. Many calling for safe release of all hostages. Many calling for and end to the violence on both sides and many just calling for peace. They are well policed, you would be safe. I’ve never felt threatened once, everyone looks out for each other.

And the videos of people being attacked because of carrying anti-Hamas placards?

I’m glad to hear this. However I can’t find any online photographs of anybody on the Marches with a placard referring specifically to the Israeli hostages. I have been in Trafalgar Square on two of the march days and only saw anti Israeli placards . I didn’t see anyone holding a poster condemning Hamas. The only flag in evidence was the Palestinian one. I haven’t forgotten the footage of Shani Louk . I haven’t forgotten the remaining hostages. I can’t go on a flag waving march with people who don’t want to talk about them.

Why don't you then? Why are you sitting around expecting others to do the work for you? If you want to wave I condemn Hamas signs around then go do it. Start your own I condenm Hamas march if you don't want to march with people that want a ceasefire. Wave an Israeli flag around if you want to, there was a march full of Israeli flags being waved around not too long ago and nothing happened to them.

At least the people in the marches are going out there and doing something instead of expecting others to go do it for them.

Clearly over a thousand British Jews don't feel the least bit intimidated as they take part in these marches on a regular basis.

@Abhannmor I would never presume to talk on everyone's behalf though.
Different groups will be there for different reasons- orthodox?
I would agree not everyone marching is there for nefarious reasons but clearly there are some.
Good for them though.... those Jews that feel safe.

@Abhannmor Have you got a reference for that figure?