Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12878659/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-marches-intimidate-British-Jews-tolerate-hatred-streets.html

He raises some interesting ideas.

Thank you.

Thank you. Fortunately they're too young to pick up on the unpleasantness of that and just announced "How rude!"

Good I think you are halfway there with what I posted. I was saying it is just a graphic and not evidence of anything until used to provoke (Whether that be online or a protest). Therefore I will copy and paste the what I wrote here again and hopefully you will understand the rest of what I was saying.

'You do realise just how meaningless that image is and just how meaningless it is if done with the Palestinian flag too don't you. I assume yes.

What is not meaningless is if these images are used on protests that are supposed to be about a ceasefire or peace. That is because they represent a different agenda. If you also think of the chant from the river to the sea in this way, like so many people do, you can then see the issue with the chant and how it represents something very genocidal to so many people. The same as if pro Israel protests were to use it in a protest.'

@Scirocco Aw, bless them. I had a drunk man threaten to set his dog on me and my child years ago, shouting at me to go back to my country. It's so much worse when it's your child than if it's just you. Hope you are OK.

@Scirocco I would definitely encourage you to report it especially in light of them either being Jewish or having Jewish friends. They record Islamophobia the same way antisemitism is and we need a view of what's going on.

@stormy4319trevor you would hope things like that would be firmly in the past.

Without knowing the poster, how do you know whether or not they're holding or would like to hold others to the same standards?

I'd quite like the world in general to avoid genocides, invasions, illegal occupation/annexation, war crimes, etc. I don't think that should be considered a particularly high standard.

And yes, I've protested, expressed my views, changed my spending habits consistent with that where I can.

The horrors of what is being done to the Uyghur Muslims have been extremely minimised in mainstream media, which I suspect may be due to a combination of religious bias and the political and economic power of China. Hopefully a few people will read more about that though, now that it's been mentioned a few times here.

I'm afraid it's still around @stomachamaleon Idiots abound. Jewish people know that all too well, I expect, like all minorities.

Hmm. I don’t know about Istoodonlegoagain, but I do hold Israel to higher standards than China, because I have been taught to believe that democratic countries are superior and more likely to listen to reason, and that Israel is a democratic country more closely aligned to my values than China, so I do actually expect more of Israel than I do of China, tbh, and expect a lot more of the UK and US, too. So you can blame propaganda about democracy if you like, but not antisemitism.

I would urge some of the posters that talk a lot of what they 'expect' of Israel to read the AMA from an Israeli living there now. It's eye opening to say the least and answers some of the more pertinent questions.
I have only seen maybe one or two of the more 'vocal' posters with any real desire to understand.

That's convenient - hold a Jewish state to higher standards.

I feel this is a discriminatory comment.

No they don't march every day but trust me, they are amongst us.
Over 34 years, my husband (black) and I (white) have experienced verbal abuse, dirty looks and physical abuse. He has been stopped numerous times by the police for no reason other than the colour of his skin. When a car crashed into his motorbike, he was arrested and put in the back of the police car. No ambulance was called. We have experienced intimidation on a daily basis. I know how it feels.
I marched; I am far from being racist anti semite. Saying that " perhaps not all pro Palestinian marchers are racist anti semite" is like saying " perhaps every white person is racist towards people of colour". It is insulting and untrue.

Hold a Jewish state to higher standards is actually seen as prejudice yes

Similarly holding Jewish people to a higher standards is prejudice

Everyone should be held to.the same standards

I do think possibly the poster didn't quite mean it the way it sounds. However the poster seems to have missed that Israel is very much in the middle east and has been surrounded by hostile states for years. Therefore to hold it to a higher standard than China but equal to western countries in a more stable environment if pretty interesting as an idea in general.

It’s considered discriminatory to hold Israel to the same standards as the U.K.? But not china? Why is this considered discriminatory? I don’t understand

You should hold Israel to the same standards as any other country including China

However I was finding difficult to understand why Israel would be seen as the same as a western States/countries. Even if the only democracy in the middle east it is still very much a middle eastern country. So either all countries need to be held to the same standards world wide or view them by their location and difficulties. However you cannot just pick out a single state and say you hold it to higher standards or similar standards as a western country.

Thank you for signposting the AMA thread. It was a very interesting read and nice also to be able to read the views of someone clearly talking from their heart, trying to present their own perspective and not manipulate or attack others.

Of course I should hold Israel to the same standards as all other countries, but in all honesty, I did expect higher standards from Israel, because in all, absolute honesty, I think western propaganda informs us that we should trust Israel and its democracy more than the Arab countries surrounding it, and more than we should trust China. We have also, in the West, been educated to expect Hamas to be willing to behead people, commit atrocities and glorify death, because we have been told they are terrorists, not legitimate rulers, but we have not been educated to expect Israel to behave like countries we have effectively been taught to distrust, or to behave in ways that no country should be allowed to behave.

I support the right to March/ protest.
I support the appeals for a ceasefire if they are accompanied with appeals for release of Israeli hostages.
However - The pro Palestinian marches do not seem to be simply about a ceasefire .
If the marches are simply about a ceasefire it should be possible to carry placards condemning Hamas’ actions and asking for the release of the hostages but I would feel unsafe doing that so I understand why some British Jews are feeling intimidated.
You suggest I should organise my own march but my post was in response to the thread title.

I keep seeing this argument on here. Our government doesn’t actively support other acts of genocide does it ? I think if Rishi and Starmer gave speeches supporting the Chinese government there would absolutely be a mass outcry and protests. It’s nothing to do with holding Israel to higher standards, it’s the fact the the US and U.K. are happy not only to completely ignore war crimes committed by them but actively support it! Naturally it will make people angry. Most people in the U.K. don’t want to feel their names are behind these awful acts. Most people in the U.K. support a ceasefire I believe.

Israel do not give a solitary shit about hostages. If they did why are they carpet bombing the place where the hostages are held ? Makes absolutely no sense. They have likely killed them all.

@Grandmasswag
You’d think this would be obvious, and it’s been pointed out on this board many times. But still the wide eyed bewilderment, apparently, continues.

@Grandmasswag
I meant my comment to respond to the question about why people in the UK aren’t currently protesting against other massacres.

@Grandmasswag I think it's cruel to say they don't care and you Clearly don't understand what 'carpet bombing' means as no one would be alive and nothing would be standing.

I Believe I read over 70% of infrastructure is still ok and this has affected 1% of the population: too many yes but hardly 'carpet bombing'

How pray would you extract the hostages when Hamas broke the terms of the agreement last time eg no Red Cross seeing hostages and only yesterday purported to still be holding one from nine years ago?

They don't carpet bomb because they know the USA would not stand for it, not because they care. They will achieve the same result as carpet bombing by using "smaller" bombs but it will take longer, months as the IDF and the Israeli government have stated.

I call killing 20,000 civilians, displacing 1.4 million more, bombing schools, hospitals and refugee camps in 2 months carpet bombing. But people will of course tie themselves up in technical definitions trying to justify that I’m sure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67241290