To ask why the only countries that didn't vote for a ceasefire were USA and UK?

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All other countries in the UN voted for a ceasefire.

USA put their hand up and voted against a ceasefire.

UK abstained from voting.

Can anyone explain to me their reasoning for not voting for a ceasefire?

Maybe they will once the remaining 130+ hostages are released.

Yep

"Hamas broke the ceasefire" - and who told you that?

Again, you are projecting what many would like to do to the Jews into Israel. This happens again and again, antisemites rejoice in twisting history to make Israelis into Nazis to discredit the Jewish experience. In doing this, they show what they would do, should they have the opportunity, as Hamas did on October 7th.

Ok I admit it. I read that in the Western news media. What did you read and where?

I don't think the UK and US have any choice tbh.

Both at this time are extremely weak, both of them have had their arses handed to them by the Middle East in recent years. Israeli intelligence has probably been shielding them from the worst of it.

If Isreal don't come out of this with a resounding 'win' and a massive show of power then I suspect the UK and US know that it will embolden Iran and we (the west) will be in deep shit.

Don't underestimate the pure hatred the Middle East has for the West - and some of it is justifiable, some of it ideology driven.

What happened in October to the Israeli people is beyond barbaric,i will never ever forget seeing those videos when I woke up that morning. what's happening to the civilians in Palestine is barbaric too. This is a savage war.

The implications of it have filtered through to our safe countries in turn making them unsafe. I am shocked at how fast the pro Palestinian mobilised - the next day - even before Isreal retaliated. That mobilisation was already planned in advance.

There is so much more to this that we will never know and too many unanswered questions

How did Isreal, the best intelligence service in the world not know this was going to happen?

How did Hamas even get in when its so heavily guarded?

How did the protests mobilise so quickly the next day with thousands of flags and placards?

Why are Hamas in Quatar shopping, eating out and taking selfies?

Why are Hamas saying the Palestinians need to sacrifice themselves and its not being shown all day every day on the news?

Why are actors being used in multiple scenes, same guy in multiple scenarios?

None of it makes sense and it's made me very worried about what's happening in the U.K. I think the next few years are going to be very dangerous for us

Anyone who can’t bring themselves to say the killing of thousands of Palestinians is wrong or tries to justify it is not a good person and should be seen for who and what they are.

Yes I am dismayed at how the institutions - the UN, the ICC - formed after WW2 so we could avoid such suffering again - seem to have been simply chucked out the window by this child-massacring conflict. Extremism having free rein.

An American life isn't worth more than an Iraqi life. Just like an Israeli life isn't worth more than a Palestinan life.

Of course you’re right but on the other hand lives in the West do have more value to those in the West. If the gov announced a tax for climate change repatriations due to our footprint impacting others there would be outrage amongst many. For many cheap labour & human rights abuses aren’t much of a thought if what they are buying is cheap. It’s a minefield.

There's no point arguing with posters spreading deliberate disinformation. They are choosing to ignore the numbers of dead; the destroyed hospitals and infrastructure; the deliberate targeting of civilians and the many war crimes.
The UK government and the leader of the opposition have blood on their hands.
The UK and US have shown the UN and Nato to be a farce. They should be tried at the Hague alongside Israel.

Israel did have lots of intelligence regarding the attack and many lower ranked female soldiers watching the border warned of it, but the security establishment concluded that it was posturing and Hamas was not interested in war

No one is projecting anything. What happened to the poor victims of the holocaust was horrific beyond words that I can ever express. And it's why I find it so sad that you have people like Netanyahu who are doing the same thing and hiding behind the "we are not fascists, we went through the holocaust" line. He is not a representation of a real Jew. If he was, why are there so many Jews in Israel and in the West who completely oppose the occupation and are demanding a ceasefire?

The founders of Hamas are orphans who, as children, saw their parents killed in front of them. So isn't Israel creating more Hamas by killing innocent civilians? What I want to know is why peole here are so cold-hearted when it comes to the lives of the innocent children in Gaza?

The UK follows the USA and benefits enormously from arms sales. The USA has the lobby groups as well and many have this religious idea about the holy land and Muslims being the enemy

Israel does not give a shit about its hostages. Even if Israel's bombs kills the hostages, Israel will not admit it and of course, Hamas will have executed them. They control the entire media narrative coming out of there (not surprising given the number of Palestinian journalists they've killed) and sheep like you swallow it up.

Every country engages in propaganda & covers things up I wouldn’t say Isreal is an outlier in that.

The founders of Hamas are orphans who, as children, saw their parents killed in front of them. So isn't Israel creating more Hamas by killing innocent civilians?
I have been thinking similar things. Hamas is more a mindset now, this will simply embolden those disenfranchised victims, the hatred will build and more will stand behind hamas. If Israel do successfully wipe out every single one of the Hamas, something else will take it place.

Why does China hate the US and UK?
Why must we hate China?
I‘m sure China has lots of criminals and gangsters - but also many decent people (I’ve met them)

The UK and US have shown the UN and Nato to be a farce. They should be tried at the Hague alongside Israel.

I mean it’s a great statement to type but what does this actually look like in reality?

Ah, these are two arguments that are often made

1. Jews didn't learn the 'right' lessons from the holocaust - they should have responded to their systematic extermination in a different way.

2. Highlighting the tiny number of Jews who disagree with the overwhelming majority in their community in order to discredit the minority.

And yes, it is projection

What I want to know is why peole here are so cold-hearted when it comes to the lives of the innocent children in Gaza?

There’s no nuance with you people is there?

Perhaps so. That is why Hamas should be pressurised to quit.

'People' aren't. People have been out marching every weekend.
US and UK government aren't bothered by humanitarian catastrophes or international law. They're influenced by other considerations - money, arms sales, politics. As they were when they ignored the Rwanda genocide; the Darfur genocide, etc.

Really, "not interested in war", yet how many times have the media pushed the whole "it says in their charter that they want to wipe out Israel" narrative. It doesn't say that at all, but if they were so sure it did, what are they doing being lax with their borders. And then taking HOURS to arrive at the Kibbutz'.

There is an interview of a Israeli government official saying that they had to revise the death toll numbers down because the bodies were so badly burned they thought they were Israeli victims initially, but they turned out to be Hamas fighters. So, Hamas fighters set themselves alight did they?

Fishy is an understatement

If Isreal don't come out of this with a resounding 'win' and a massive show of power then I suspect the UK and US know that it will embolden Iran and we (the west) will be in deep shit

Isreal can’t win but they do believe they need to show power. And yes it suits the US & the UK to have Isreal in the ME.