Do lots of people support Hamas?

[elprup]

I just read this story and it is absolutely horrific

I saw ten Hamas terrorists beat and gang-rape an Israeli woman

https://mol.im/a/12820081

Is everyone on the pro-Palestine marches in London solely supporting the innocent civilians of Palestine (as I do too)? Or are there some people on these marches supporting the actions of Hamas as well?

I want to join the marches in support of innocent adults and kids in Gaza (and I would want to march for the same reasons on any pro Israel marches too), but I do not want to endorse Hamas in any shape or form. They are absolutely vile.

I also think the conflation of Palestinian civilians with Hamas by certain posters, or even trying to prove that a percentage of them do support Hamas, is a way of excusing what is going on and saying it is somehow justified.

Palestinian civilians have been treated appallingly for decades in an apartheid like situation. They have no human rights, no real freedom, no security or safety, and presently things are horrific. When you oppress a whole people for decades, as a reaction to this, controversial groups and support for such groups will grow. Does this mean they should all be flattened to the ground? Absolutely not. Does it making flattening Palestine any more legal? Absolutely not.

Conflating Palestinians with Hamas is also a way of trying to silence and shut down support for Palestinians. Look at the way the pro ceasefire marches were demonised. Yes a couple of incidents at the massive one recently but as a fraction of the percentage of people there, 0.0004% or something cause issues, the rest of the hundreds of thousands marching without incident for peace.

No, they hate Israel. And a ceasefire will do nothing but give hamas a chance to rebuild and do the same all over again

@miniegg3 let's face it, Israeli govt have been putting out genocidal statements all over the shop. They've also declined to move ahead with a feasible two state solution.

As a complete outsider to both Israel and Palestine I was very surprised to witness this. I saw no hate , no discrimination towards anyone when we last went to telaviv ( last year ) . I meet both Israeli and Palestinians living in Israeli as well as catholics and they where friends , they study together, they visited each others homes . I think many who never visited Israel or Palestine must think of South Africa and apartheid but it’s so far from that .

Did you go to the West Bank? Very very different there.

This could not be further from the truth. I posted this thread because I genuinely want to know people’s thoughts. Why are you trying to shut down the discussion?

@elprup have a look on the Middle East Conflict boards. Plenty of threads over there to help you learn people's opinions, as well as resources links and lots of bunfighting too 😄

They were out on the streets celebrating the 7th October attacks before Israel had even retaliated, so yes there are many who support Hamas. People on these marches chant 'from the river to the sea' which is a call to wipe out the state of Israel, as Hamas would like to do.
If people on these marches just want peace why are they not condemning Hamas for their disgusting attacks on 7th October and the constant firing of rockets? Why are they not demanding the release of the hostages? Why do they not blame Hamas for breaking the ceasefire?

This!

It won’t happen while Israel illegal occupy the West Bank either. The illegal settlers are terrorists as well, and some would say so is the IDF.

Reading what you wrote- I took that to make reference to the Palestinian people as freedom fighters. 😬 I wouldn't ever describe Hamas as freedom fighters and would hope that others wouldn't either.

@elprup I don't think it will happen while the present Israeli govt is in power either, hate to break it to you. So many officials want to wipe out every Palestinian, as per their genocidal narrative, and have already stated they want all the land for themselves etc. And sadly they treat the Palestinians as second class citizens, without human rights, and fail to adequately punish settler violence towards them, fail to prevent the stealing of their land and more

Does the 2 state solution mean they stop trying to get rid of hamas? Because if it does then I can totally understand. It's been tried for years and palastine don't want it either

I find posts like this so strange. “The narrative” sounds very sinister tbh - as if nobody is allowed to question or deviate from what you (some random poster on the internet) has decided that narrative is.

I would think it because when the Hamas attack first made the news, with details of atrocities emerging and before the Israeli military action started people where I live were out waving Palestinian Flags and wearing the Palestinian scarves (not usually seen in this are)

This is so sad. If only someone progressive could come to power - someone who’s determined to unite Palestine and Israel, wipe out Hamas and let innocent people live together in peace.

Plenty of chanting about hating Jews on these marches yet the police turn a blind eye. Too busy pepper spraying Tommy Robinson when he wasn't acting in a threatening manner and before anybody starts, it was all captured on film.
I'm no TR fan but I hope he sues the arse off the Met, just to make a point

Most people I know do not support any terrorism, Israeli or Palestinian.

I've had to come off my social media accounts because of pro hamas friends.
I'm pro Palestine and I'm from a Jewish family so seeing that people I care about can't differentiate between terrorists and see their own antisemitism has been really upsetting.
I fully understand hamas and I think any group of disenfranchised people (I'm aware that's a massive understatement) are likely to become part of a terrorist organisation, of course they are, but understanding why someone is the way they are doesn't mean we can condone or support it. I understand when I look at the past of serial killer Ed kemper why he despised women, I don't support his actions to kill them.
I've like most people who've seen what's happened to the Palestinian children have felt sickened and heartbroken. I believe we're witnessing genocide and war crimes. I've emailed my local MP, I've attended marches when I can, I've given what I can afford financially to charities for these Palestinians who are in desperate need of help.
I will be pro Palestine I imagine until I die. But I will never ever allow antisemitism or pro terrorism to be something I accept or support.

this I agree with.

“Most”? 😬

Israel starting bombing Khan Yunis 4 mins after the official ceasefire ended. They refused to negotiate further and started bombing. The rockets were in retaliation to that. Palestine has an absolute right to try and defend itself too.

Hamas and IDF are both the same, both terrorists, the only different is the west are financing IDF.

This !

@watchingtheworldwithwoe that wasn’t what anybody I was with thought. They weren’t saying ‘free Palestine’, days after they attack they were on stalls on Oxford Street praising ‘glorious freedom fighters’.

I’ve just looked at the picture I took to send to DH at the time and it was a Socialist Workers Party stall, there were loads on Oxford Street. I’ve just googled them and found articles calling for police investigation after they sold pamphlets ‘praising heroism of the terrorists’ in the Times.

I fully understand hamas and I think any group of disenfranchised people (I'm aware that's a massive understatement) are likely to become part of a terrorist organisation, of course they are, but understanding why someone is the way they are doesn't mean we can condone or support it.

Thank you for your honest post. But I don’t understand how you can “understand” Hamas. How can they possibly justify the crimes in the link I posted in the OP. How can such atrocities be understood?!