IDF shot a 9 year old boy

[ThickPinkSocks]

Why is this not in the mainstream news? I thought there was a ceasefire!

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0PcyDYuWr0/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Interesting graphic showing side by side Israeli vs Palestinian conflict deaths since 1987 alone (just up to 2021).

No death is ok. I just feel like people minimise what Palestinians are going through. It's all about focussing on Israeli deaths (obviously awful) with zero acknowledgement of Palestinian deaths.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/18/the-israel-palestine-conflict-has-claimed-14000-lives-since-1987

Or this one which shows every single Palestinian and Israeli killed 2000 to 2014 only.

So many unnecessary civilian deaths.

https://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/chart-israel-palestine-conflict-deaths

And people go on only about the threat to Israelis, yes that it awful, but what also about the threat to Palestinians? What does this graph tell you?

Your post did not say Hamas, it stated - Ceasefire is over now anyway so they can get back to eliminating the scumbags - as IDF pounds gaza with more rocket fire, people can be forgiven for thinking the scumbags you were referring to were the people of Gaza, maybe be more specific next time if you don't want to be called out or reported for your posts

Strangely enough, terrorism played an important role in the founding of Israel, such as the bombing of the King David Hotel, and the assassination of Folke Bernadotte. Were those terrorists 'scumbags' as well?

One of them (Menachem Begin) later became a Prime Minister of Israel, so presumably a high proportion of Israelis approved of his past.

This. I do find it interesting that the role of terrorism in the creation of the state of Israel is often overlooked by pro- Israeli / Zionists who justify the war on Gaza.

These were armed groups who committed barbaric atrocities against Palestinian civilians. I would be interested to know if any pro- Israeli posters are prepared to condemn these Zionist terror groups. If not, why ?

I wonder also if the words they use to describe Palestinians involved in acts of terrorism - scumbags, shitshow, animals, barbaric, depraved, hateful, - they are prepared to use for the people committing atrocities in the creation of Israel?

It’s not even just Palestinians involved in violence that are described in this way. On the March against antisemitism thread people who attend the weekly ceasefire protests have been described as “uncivilized’, “yobs” etc. This is a generalized description - not just applied to those accused of carrying anti semitic signs /posters. It’s language intended to dehumanize and ‘other’.

Agreed 👍

You lot carry on in your echo chamber where no balance is allowed. You’ll change no minds, in fact you’re just talking to yourselves. Most of us can see both sides, it’s perfectly acceptable to want Israeli citizens to be able to live in peace and not be randomly murdered by fundamentalists and mourn the death of innocent Palestinian children, women, old people etc who have essentially been taken hostage by their own leaders. Life in Gaza, ruled by religious extremists who are happy to murder gay and trans folk, anybody who doesn’t agree with their religious fervour isn’t good at the best of times. How do you intend to get rid of these criminals?
@MissyB1 surprised to see you agreeing with a chant that is recognised as being genuinely anti semitic. Generally agreed with you on political threads.

Why on earth would I be talking about civilians??
The whole conversation was about hamas

Exactly, it's ludicrous. Israeli children where murdered in their own beds or cowering in bomb shelters, yet no-one seems to care about that 🤷‍♀️ like IDF just started this for no reason

Can you (maybe on a separate thread not derailing about this 9 year old child) explore why, prior to Hamas, or in WB where there is no Hamas, children are randomly killed and/or imprisoned without trial?

I think this kind of posting is a often couched attempt at dividing. Nobody says it's ok for Israelis to be murdered. People support innocent civilians on both sides. Even the most fervent MN Palestine supporters want peace for Israelis and Palestinians. Yet many are very happy to spread this false narrative that we all want Israelis to die or love Hamas. Divisive.

On this thread in particular, its frequently the pro-Israeli posters ones stoking division, hatred, belittling and spreading their nasty racist tropes and pulling up these assertions of "echo chambers" yet simultaneously failing to acknowledge the plight of the Palestinians in the face of decades of oppression by ISRAELI GOVT (and more recently Hamas, agreed). Read back through the thread, you'll get an idea of who is spreading the divisive diatribe. Many on here even celebrating and belittling the death of a nine year old.

A poster on another thread outright said they cared more about Israeli and Jewish children and was roundly defended, with posters objecting being told it was a natural and understandable point of view.

There are echo chambers, but I don't think this thread is one. Most are objecting to any one group of people being targeted.

Not really without looking into every case individually.

Does that mean it's OK to slaughter Israeli children and babies?

I'm in no way saying the IDF have done no wrong. They denied using white phosphorus when I have seen it myself on live stream. But this all boils down to getting rid of hamas. Gazan civilians would also have a much better life without being ruled by a terrorist organisation

Preventing millions of innocents from having food, aid, shelter, safety, water is not "getting rid of Hamas". It is cruelty of the highest degree.

Utterly horrific, Human Rights Watch has verified the reports about the decomposed babies in the Gaza hospital after staff were forced to flee. The depravity that has been unleashed on both sides is simply stunning. The problem is that our government supports one and rightly condemns the other.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/01/birth-and-death-intertwined-gaza-strip

From BBC News -

As Basel's body was prepared for burial in the crowded hospital morgue, a relative watched as the teenager was wrapped in the green flag of Hamas. It wasn't what Basel would have wanted, he told the BBC.
"He's innocent, not from the militias," he said, teetering between anger and grief. "He's perfect in school, a good boy, kind."
The hospital director, Dr Wissam Bakr, said the boys' wounds - from shots to the head and chest - showed that they were intentionally killed.
"There's no safe place in Jenin now," he said.

Looks like the West Bank is next to be targeted. 😪

My issue is that this thread is nothing to do with Gaza and what life in Gaza is about. Posters like you are coming here and you don't even know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza but you want to talk about 'both sides'? It has nothing to do with Hamas. Muddying a thread about a 9 year old child being shot in the back of the head as he runs away with talk of child soldiers, talk of Gaza, talk of Hamas, murdering gay people, just why? It has nothing to so with this 9 year old child. The thread title is clear.

If I went onto the thread about the 9 month old baby hostage and started talking about Israeli children being indoctrinated against Palestinians to see them as less than and primitive, talking about Israeli children being primed to be future IDF killers, being future settlers and saying that something has to be done to stop them etc I would get a lot worse than anyone on this thread has been given. Do you not see that it is just as bad for a thread about the murder of a Palestinian child to be taken over with talk of child soldiers and future terrorists? There are far more IDF killers, far more Israeli settlers than they are Palestinian terrorists so if you feel that your derailing and the derailing of others is appropriate do you think it would be appropriate for me to wade into the thread about the 9 month old baby and do the same thing?

@OuiOuiKitty hear hear, thank you. It's like certain posters have their fingers in their ears. Read the room people!

My only guess is they think it's fair game to do it, as the boy is a Palestinian.

Hear hear

Gazan civilians would also have a much better life without being ruled by a terrorist organisation

Let's hope Israel leave enough of them alive to enjoy that better life you suggest. It is likely though that those that are still alive after all this will be so deeply traumatised and trying to survive without homes, hospitals, food, supplies, water, power and so on to have any sort of life never mind a much better one
How patronising and deluded to even suggest Israel are Gazans saviours.

"Gazan civilians would also have a much better life without being ruled by a terrorist organisation"

The irony of this statement bearing in mind how Israel treats Gaza, not to mention Palestinians as a whole. LOL.