Update on Baby Kfir

[Depdawg]

I hope this isn't true

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12805071/Israel-says-checking-Hamas-claim-ten-month-old-baby-Kfir-Bibas-killed-alongside-mother-brother-Gaza.html

noooooooo not you again with your opinions! It is NOT widespread at all! You’ve seen ONE poster openly admit to this and now you’re tarnishing everyone with the same brush! You’re the same person who wouldn’t and could not accept that both Palestinian and Israeli children could be indoctrinated by religious extremists.

please STOP trying to cause more hate and division… ugh

There was no lie, something was explained to you and because it wasn’t in exact translation word for word, you decided to call it a lie. ‘Fabulous to be a martyr’ isn’t meant to be taken verbatim it is used to accentuate the fact that it was a term that was being pushed on Hamas sponsored kids tv. No one is ignorant enough to not understand that. I’m pretty sure we’re all aware Hamas don’t use ‘fabulous’ as part of the popular vernacular. You were deliberately being obtuse.

Secondly you didn’t ‘wonder’ anything at all. Each and every single one of your statements in your post is written as a definitive…

’you think it’s clear…’ ‘that this approach is widespread’ and ‘THEY’ (Jews obviously) really do think Jewish children’s lives’ are more important.

This is what you said, there was no question to it and no wondering. The liar is you.

Thanks and goodbye 👋🏼

"They" are the people on these threads who get cross when Palestinian children are mentioned.

Maybe just ignore me in future because I'm tired of you saying mental things about me that aren't true. Cheers.

Hamas chose to kidnap a woman with a.baby and a little boy. Hamas chose to keep them in.Gaza. Hamas could have released them in the first batch of hostages if they were still alive.
None of this was the fault of the Israeli government..Had they.not responded then hostage taking would.become standard practise. Kidnappers should never be rewarded for kidnapping for all sorts of reasons.

Israel chose to drop bombs indiscriminately on refugee camps, near hospitals, on apartment buildings and roads all throughout Gaza. Israel chose to murder Palestinian children. Israel chose to ignore IDF brutality throughout the West Bank for the last few decades.
A lot of fault lies with the Israeli government.

"They" tend to get upset when a thread is specifically set up to talk about Israeli hostages, antisemitism, marches against antisemitism, or about individual victims like this one is, and those threads are brigaded by people who can't bear any focus or solidarity towards these issues.

Every single thread devolves into 'Israel bad' without acknowledging that Israelis are continually attacked by terrorists on their border, with October 7th being the latest and most egregious. Without acknowledging that the ONLY, singular, nation for the Jewish people, who have been persecuted both in Europe and the Middle East, has been under attack since 1948. They haven't had one day of true peace in 75 years, despite being willing to negotiate and sign up to multiple peace agreements, giving up territory, dismantling settlements etc, and yet it's somehow surprising that things aren't great on the ground and we should all condemn Israel for being the most uniquely evil country in the world. And so on ad nauseum.

Posters saying this baby and his family couldn't have died in an airstrike because of the ceasefire

Bombing immediately before the ceasefire was more intense particularly in one area of Khan Younis, this being the town but not necessarily the area where this family were allegedly being held captive by JIP terrorists. Not sure that Hamas knew their exact location?

It's more than possible that the JIP captors [who Hamas say they had already lost touch with/having a communication breakdown with] were injured or killed at the same time.

In the chaos following an airstrike it can take time to retrieve casualties and identify fatalities so it's possible that it took ?a while for Hamas to find out what was going on and gain possession of the deceased hostage family. Hamas rightly would be reluctant to declare the family had died until they had proof

Hamas are offering '7 women and children and 3 bodies' in the hostage exchange today so we'll maybe know more later

Personally I doubt if anything will be completely clear now or in the future

Yes it's the same with most of the threads about Palestinians.

We'll agree to differ on the rest.

@Mdg247 I put Palestian/Muslim so please don't preach to me.

The poster said she cares more about Israeli Jews than Palestinian children. Go and yap to her instead.

Yes look over here at the one accidental hit of a hospital courtyard by a rocket misfire but ignore the 137 deliberate attacks by IDF on hospitals, ambulances and health workers.

“The World Health Organization (WHO) has reported that at least 521 people, including 16 medical workers, have been killed in 137 “attacks on health care” in Gaza as of November 12.”

”Between October 7 and November 7, HRW said it investigated attacks on or near five healthcare facilities in Gaza.
It found that Israeli forces struck the Indonesian Hospital multiple times between October 7 and 28, killing at least two civilians; the International Eye Hospital was struck repeatedly and completely destroyed on October 10 or 11; the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship Hospital was forced to close on November 1, days after air raids on or near the facility; a man and a child were injured after repeated attacks on the al-Quds Hospital; and Israeli forces struck well-marked ambulances on several occasions – at least a dozen people were killed or wounded in one incident outside al-Shifa Hospital on November 3.”

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/14/gaza-unlawful-israeli-hospital-strikes-worsen-health-crisis

I agree. I read the report on Emily Hand from her father on how she is always whispering and said she was constantly moved to from one place to another to stay one step ahead of the IDF bombing, she says Hamas would shout “yala yala” (probably yelleh yelleh which means hurry) to the hostages to encourage them to move quickly.

This was a valid criticism of the families of hostages about IDF going in so hard on Gaza. It did avoidably endanger the hostages.

And, I know the power of destruction of those types of bombs. They aren’t very precise because they destroy everything in a large radius. Especially the fragmentary ones that doctors have reported being used.

It’s not preaching, I just find it strange…

I knew @PurpleChrayne being honest
would be honed in on.
It is a natural survival instinct to feel
This way.
Other sections of society feel this way
By their very actions.
Of course we are not allowed to say that.

There's no equivalent here. As I stated, threads about antisemitism, threads with updates on specific Israeli hostages, are trolled by these posters repeatedly. There's no reason or justification for that.

Correcting or questioning potential misinformation, giving different perspective on the conflict if you're talking about those threads, is not the same as derailing threads for Jewish victims which aim to share information, sympathy, solidarity.

And it happens every single time.

Yes, I was going to say it is human nature, but didn't want to provoke the usual howls from certain posters. The irony being these are the posters who literally can't leave a thread about an Israeli baby in peace, so I'm sure they're so even-handed with their empathy.

I'm not personally affected by this conflict and I'm lucky enough to have grown up in peace so it's not really my place to comment.

I don’t think it is the common consensus to value one child’s life over the other. I think most people are appalled by the death of innocent children wherever they are from. I can’t speak for everyone but that is the most common view I have experienced. Whether Gazan or Israeli their loss is mourned.
I think it is worth noting that the pp in question has lost family and friends in this war and they are grieving. I should imagine it’s pretty raw for them right now which may explain their view-once again I am not attempting to speak for them but perhaps the personal circumstances involved may colour their perspective. I hope they are alright.

I hear you. I challenge any mother on here not to feel the same way if it were their child in captivity.
Communities have tight circles, relating to each other through oppression, among other things.
Of course the Jewish community feels this way, as would any other community facing adverse situations.
Why do wars come about? Those howling posters should think about that.

@ProvincialLady1 I agree. With the Same
Messages from the same posters. On a specific thread about one baby. Certain people seem attracted to these threads because their say is so much more important than just respecting others right to grieve and discuss.

I doubt it would happen on other boards. Can you imagine it?

I wonder if the three bodies are kfir, Ariel and their mum being handed over today? It's so desperately sad.

If it’s a derailment, OP derailed their own thread by posting:
Depdawg · Yesterday 14:59
I suppose this will go the same way
As the supposed Israel hospital
Bomb.

That comment was not aiming to share information, sympathy or solidarity.

No, instead, it was pre-empting the direction this thread would take.
As you have demonstrated.

I hadn't seen that about the 3 bodies😓 if it's them, I wonder where the father is

Either way, a family is going to hear horrible news today😔

Uh huh.

Well done, you are very clever and have won the thread.

Yap?

Yes.