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ShirleyPhallus · 29/11/2023 14:58

My gosh, how I hope this isn’t true

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Depdawg · 29/11/2023 14:59

I suppose this will go the same way
As the supposed Israel hospital
Bomb.

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Startyabastard · 29/11/2023 15:10

I've been thinking about that little guy. Devastating. Also devastating that they need a safe room in their house.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 29/11/2023 15:11

Every semi-decent human will hope this isn't true - I certainly do!

That said, hopes aside, it does seem plausible! If you have seen the pictures of the devadtastating destruction of Gaza, you will easily believe that any hostages kept there will have been hit alongside everyone else if they happened to be located in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This war must really stop! There are far, far too many dead children - little Kfir being one of them, with literally thousands of others sharing his (alleged, so far) fate. We can't allow for them to keep on dying because of what adults do to each other.

ChalkWitch · 29/11/2023 15:13

How terribly convenient for Hamas…

ChalkWitch · 29/11/2023 15:14

Depdawg · 29/11/2023 14:59

I suppose this will go the same way
As the supposed Israel hospital
Bomb.

Indeed it will.

ProvincialLady1 · 29/11/2023 15:15

Terrible if true, but the word of Hamas is essentially worthless so doesn't really tell us anything. Must be beyond terrible for their family to hear though.

ChalkWitch · 29/11/2023 15:35

I started to be extremely concerned for Kfir when Hamas said they handed him over to PIJ so couldn’t send him home. Alarm bells started ringing-a child that young is too high profile to admit to killing after the 7th. Easier to blame an Israeli air strike right? Fits the poor oppressed ‘freedom fighter’s’ rhetoric. Except we weren’t born yesterday and no one in their right mind trusts a word they say.

EsmaCannonball · 29/11/2023 16:06

ChalkWitch · 29/11/2023 15:35

I started to be extremely concerned for Kfir when Hamas said they handed him over to PIJ so couldn’t send him home. Alarm bells started ringing-a child that young is too high profile to admit to killing after the 7th. Easier to blame an Israeli air strike right? Fits the poor oppressed ‘freedom fighter’s’ rhetoric. Except we weren’t born yesterday and no one in their right mind trusts a word they say.

I did think that, when he wasn't one of the returned hostages, Hamas might have already killed him, maybe on the 7th, and have invented the PIJ story. Now they've come up with this very convenient, for them, tale.

eardefender · 29/11/2023 16:14

How could they have allowed them to die. Hamas are subhuman. Bullshit they died in bombing, why wait until now to make this story up. This is unforgivable and they are such cowards they blame Israel.
The only reason any hostages are being released is due to Israeli military pressure on Hamas. Hamas needed a break that's why they are returning the hostages, not because they care about aid coming in for their own people or saving the hostages lives.
They will try and spin it to blame Israel and all the jew haters will join in but the fact is this entire war was created by Hamas and they love Chaos.

OuiOuiKitty · 29/11/2023 16:18

HeidiInTheBigCity · 29/11/2023 15:11

Every semi-decent human will hope this isn't true - I certainly do!

That said, hopes aside, it does seem plausible! If you have seen the pictures of the devadtastating destruction of Gaza, you will easily believe that any hostages kept there will have been hit alongside everyone else if they happened to be located in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This war must really stop! There are far, far too many dead children - little Kfir being one of them, with literally thousands of others sharing his (alleged, so far) fate. We can't allow for them to keep on dying because of what adults do to each other.

I agree, I hope mum and children are found safely. With 1 out of every 200 children dead and 1 out of every 100 injured, it was clear that the Israeli bombardment was putting the lives of everyone in Gaza in grave danger. Unfortunately, whatever wrath Israel decided to wreak upon the citizens of Gaza be it starvation, lack of power, lack of medical care, lack of safety etc those same things were going to affect the hostages too. Hopefully, this pause will end in a ceasefire and some agreement for lasting peace for everyone.

Finteq · 29/11/2023 16:23

eardefender · 29/11/2023 16:14

How could they have allowed them to die. Hamas are subhuman. Bullshit they died in bombing, why wait until now to make this story up. This is unforgivable and they are such cowards they blame Israel.
The only reason any hostages are being released is due to Israeli military pressure on Hamas. Hamas needed a break that's why they are returning the hostages, not because they care about aid coming in for their own people or saving the hostages lives.
They will try and spin it to blame Israel and all the jew haters will join in but the fact is this entire war was created by Hamas and they love Chaos.

The same way all the other civilians were ' allowed' to die.

It's not out of the realms of possibility Israel killed multiple of their own citizens. And could continue doing in their pursuit of Hamas.

jolaylasofia · 29/11/2023 16:35

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EsmaCannonball · 29/11/2023 16:36

Israel is still revising the amount of people who died on October 7th and discovering that people they thought kidnapped were in fact killed. Hamas, on the other hand, seem to count quicker than Rain Man and yet people take those casualty figures as gospel.

Finteq · 29/11/2023 16:41

I don't know what happened.

I hope baby Kfir is OK. But obviously it's suspicious that he hasn't been released.

BlowDryRat · 29/11/2023 16:45

The BBC has reported this too and says that the Israeli government is checking Hamas' claim that he, his brother and mother are dead. I wondered why they hadn't been released yet. Awful, awful news and I really hope it isn't true and another group has got them somewhere.

ChalkWitch · 29/11/2023 16:46

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ThisIsntThe80sPat · 29/11/2023 17:10

My sons are 3 and a half years old, and 10 months old. My youngest even resembles Kfir. I think that's why these boys have been particularly on my mind throughout this whole horrible conflict.
As soon as I read they'd been "transferred", I had a feeling it wasn't good and Hamas were trying to deflect from themselves. It's heartbreaking. Ten months old.

JanewaysBun · 29/11/2023 17:27

Poor wee boy, under 1s will be particularly vunerable during this time and I wondered why he wasn't amongst those released.

Quickquestion10 · 29/11/2023 17:47

Too many children have died in this series of atrocities.

I think it's miraculous that any of the hostages have survived the bombing given the magnitude of the loss of life for Gazan children. It was a risk the Israeli government were prepared to take.

Every child's death is a tragedy.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 29/11/2023 17:59

Quickquestion10 · 29/11/2023 17:47

Too many children have died in this series of atrocities.

I think it's miraculous that any of the hostages have survived the bombing given the magnitude of the loss of life for Gazan children. It was a risk the Israeli government were prepared to take.

Every child's death is a tragedy.

I generally agree - except on wording:

It's not a "tragedy"! An earthquake or volcano eruption are "tragedies". A tsunami is. An 5-year-old in Bristol dying of meningitis is a "tragedy".

But war, terrorism, occupation, child hostages, child prisoners, all the stuff we are seeing ... they're not "tragedies" - they are human-made and represent our collective moral failure as adults. And we owe children better than this!

Stomacharmeleon · 29/11/2023 18:24

@Quickquestion10 I don't think it's miraculous now we know generally where they were kept.
@HeidiInTheBigCity please stop derailing when it's a clear cut thread title. No need.

OuiOuiKitty · 29/11/2023 18:29

EsmaCannonball · 29/11/2023 16:36

Israel is still revising the amount of people who died on October 7th and discovering that people they thought kidnapped were in fact killed. Hamas, on the other hand, seem to count quicker than Rain Man and yet people take those casualty figures as gospel.

The numbers of dead in Gaza are only counting the people that they have bodies for. It doesn't include the 1000s of people who are expected to be buried under the rubble. With time as more bodies are discovered, like the bodies of babies that Israel left to die in the hospital in Northern Gaza that were discovered yesterday, the numbers will unfortunately be go up.

Pennina · 29/11/2023 18:30

Stomacharmeleon · 29/11/2023 18:24

@Quickquestion10 I don't think it's miraculous now we know generally where they were kept.
@HeidiInTheBigCity please stop derailing when it's a clear cut thread title. No need.

I wonder if it is a tactic to buy more time/longer ceasefire?

Locknkey · 29/11/2023 18:32

I'm just reading about the rotting babies in the hospital aswell.

The IDF forced everyone out of the hospital and wouldn't let parents take their babies.

They died of either suffocation or starvation.

I wouldn't believe it if it wasn't for the videos on twitter.

I dont even know their names.

Can you imagine?

Why didn't the IDF move those babies to an Israeli hospital? They can't say they were terrorists or a danger they were only babies!

I won't post the video, but its there on twitter