Update on Baby Kfir

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I hope this isn't true

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12805071/Israel-says-checking-Hamas-claim-ten-month-old-baby-Kfir-Bibas-killed-alongside-mother-brother-Gaza.html

What does that have to do with baby Kfir?

Honestly

Every fucking thread

@Pennina I think it's a combination of a lot of things but they have obviously been squeezed over baby kfir hence the statement.

Considering some posters on here assume you can't fart in Gaza without asking Hamas' permission let's assume they knew about it and have sat on the info.

Like the not allowing the Red Cross in. Depriving hostages of their medications. Separating mums and children.

Cruel, barbaric and psychotic behaviours.

@Locknkey the relevance to the thread is? Have reported and the others doing the same. Start another thread....

Its not Hamas counting the dead its the hospitals.

But because the hospitals are under Hamas's 'Government' everything that gets reported is reported as from Hamas.

Isreal are revising the numbers as they killed a lot of their own civilians using tanks and Apache helicopters. Haaretz newspaper, an Israeli newspaper, have actually been threatened with being shut down for reporting this.

Israel also included Hamas fighters in the original numbers.

It's got everything to do with it.

Its about babies dying!

Have you no heart?

You cannot start a thread on Gaza without someone say what about, what about what about. It works both ways.

@Locknkey the thread is about a specific child.
Stop posting conspiracy theories and rants on a thread about a specific child.
And you have no idea how people think or feel.

Wow conspiracy theories! Check the videos out for yourself. There is a lot more video evidence of what Israel have done than what they are claiming has been done to them.

You don't get to have a thread to yourself I'm afraid.

Every thread can get commented on.

One child's life is not more important than another. You should be open to talking about all of the children.

I would also like to see you on the other threads telling people to stop derailing with conspiracy theories, but I doubt it as your the one derailing those...

Sorry - what does this have to do with Kfir Bibas?

@Locknkey but as you just stated I am allowed to comment on what I like.

If you are going to post things you need to verify them. I saw it on twitter is hardly verified.

This thread is about a specific child not a generic echo chamber.

But of course I care more about the Israeli/Jewish babies. Because I am a Jew. My children are half-Israeli.

In this bizarre system of enforced equality, we're expected to care exactly the same about everyone and everything. Well, not me. It might make me unpopular, or "sick" or "twisted", or whatever else you might like to call me. Fine. Because of course I care that Palestinian children have died. Of course I do. But I care a damn sight more about Kfir Bibas. Because as a Jewish mother, he is my child along with Shiri Bibas' child. We are a family. And I suspect that might be part of why we are so despised.

One child's life is not more important than another. You should be open to talking about all of the children.

Haven't seen many threads recently in this topic where the child hostages have even been mentioned at all. It's like they.don't.count.

That would be the "hospitals" staff, the ones who said that it was absolutely not true that Hamas operated within the hospital complex. That there were absolutely no tunnels under the hospital. That 500 people were killed when the hospital was destroyed, when it was still standing and the actual death toll was, IIRC, 12 people who were in the car park?

N9w, I don't know whether the people speaking out claiming to be doctors at the hospitals are actually Hamas, or genuinely doctors who have been threatened by Hamas and told to lie, but I think it's safe to say that the reports coming out of "hospitals" are not to ba taken at face value.

I genuinely don't care about some children more than others. I can't comprehend that mindset at all (unless they were my own), just awful.
I really hope baby Kfir is alive and well, he's been on my mind a lot after seeing footage of his kidnap. I've been wondering how a young baby would cope under hostage conditions and hoping he is being treated well.

"But of course I care more about the Israeli/Jewish babies. Because I am a Jew. My children are half-Israeli."

Wow. They only thing I can say to that is I suppose at least you are an honest person.

@PurpleChrayne why do you care more about Israeli/Jewish babies? Absolutely not goading, I admire your honesty, I can not comprehend caring more about Irish Catholic babies over other ethnicities and religious identification. When you say they are your family what do you mean?

I was thinking about them yesterday.

I don't understand the senselessness in it.
Poor babies

I really hope it's a lie :(

Where is the outrage that Thailand only cares about the Thai hostages?

I hope the Bibas family are returned to Israel, even if they have been killed. Hamas and their terrorist friends have a tendency to hold on to bodies just to maximise the psychological terror. It leaves the family and the whole country wondering, never knowing for sure what has happened and not being able to extinguish the hope that they might still be alive. It's a particularly despicable thing to do, taunting the bereaved

The Thai government/embassy has a duty to do what they can to ensure the safe release of Thai nationals. They aren't able to assist other foreign nationals.

This was a poster saying they value certain lives more due to their nationality/religion.

Where is the outrage that Thailand only cares about the Thai hostages?

Thailand can only negotiate Thai hostages. But no, maybe you've cracked it... all we needed this whole time was Thai officials to stop the war.

Also, it's normal to be more sensitive to some people (that we relate to) but they should all be cared about the same. No idea why anyone feels the need to openly state they care less about one group. Imagine a Palestinian/Muslim reading that.

I can't do race specific caring either. It's very sad about this beautiful baby. It's very sad about all the beautiful dead babies in Gaza too - who don't have photos, headlines, news time or even names. No babies should be killed.

I am reasoning that it's only one person, and very much hoping that most people don't have such views. It's upsetting to think otherwise.
I still couldn't care for any child more than others, regardless of my own roots.

I don't think it is the norm, I don't relate to it (at least not on any conscious level) but I think you won't necessarily understand certain reactions unless you're intimately involved in a conflict like this. I've seen quite a few posts from Palestinian supporters that don't outright say, but imply strongly that they can't bear Jewish victims to be shown any real support or solidarity, so I do think similar sentiments are running through these threads.

As a Jew, watching Israelis being butchered and kidnapped for being Jewish makes you think "it could've been me". At least that's the case for me. And it absolutely terrifies me. It's not that I don't care about other babies. I really, really do. I just don't feel the same absolute fear that maybe my family is next with other attrocities. When a baby is killed or mistreated in some way for being Jewish, I feel it more. Same when someone from my home country is targeted for being that nationality. It absolutely terrifies me. I am genuinely scared for my children because of the events less two months ago.

I suppose I count as having intimate involvement, but I still can't see Palestinian children's lives as being worth more than Israeli children.
I still don't understand that mindset. I do agree that it doesn't appear to be the norm, thankfully, at least as I've seen here in the UK.

Ok. She didn't say they have more value though. I don't think instinctively caring more about someone you feel a sense of kinship with is the same as ascribing absolute value.