Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

[Efacsen]

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

Thanks @Parkingt111 I saw it in their Spanish account and didn’t have time to link the English version. It’s clear there has been many attacks directed that shouldn’t have happened.

@EasterIssland yes
I don't think an investigation will be done and I doubt they will even get an apology let alone an explanation

@Efacsen it seems like Israel has finally responded to the criticism of using AI to select targets. I still can't fathom that it sounds insane, almost dystopian

Destruction not precision comes to mind

@Parkingt111 I remember this happening it was at the height of the attack on al-shifa and the MSF staff accommodation block wasn't far away from the hospital which sort of tells you how bad it was - they weren't able to get far with the evacuation and had to turn back

Lots of the MSF staffs children in the convoy - it must have been terrifying

Also don't think they will get anywhere with it either

IDF defence was predictable and not particularly convincing - how could it be
Not happy to have been found out

PS 100 aid trucks today
PRCS

@Efacsen yes I wonder who leaked it? It only came put recently so managed to keep it on the low for quite awhile

And yes I doubt they are happy it's come out in the open
It does sort of add up to why there's huge amounts of civilian infrastructure destroyed including houses

QR code system not doing great either. One block was asked to move to a different block after already being displaced from the north
They got to the other block and the bombs there started, on houses where displaced civilians were sheltering

From most reports I have seen the civilians are fed up with moving around like it's some sort of hunger games. Some have just accepted that they will die regardless

It's mind games, isn't it?

Like the earlier 'move to the South', and then the south was pounded as well.

Just PR to pretend the IDF are 'moral' and care about Palestinians, unlike Hamas who see Israelis as sub-human. Whereas they are as bad as each other

I can't see why Israel banned the import through Rafah of food and water. They focussed on closing their right to close their border to Gaza as their national right (undisputed), and all the mainstream media failed to ask why they had the right of veto over the Rafah crossing given that they claimed to have no responsibility towards Gaza. Why would they have the right of veto over the crossing between Gaza and Egypt, if neither state was anything to do with them?

How could stopping food, water and medical supplies be targetted against Hamas? Surely having civilians dependent on international agencies for those supplies would undermine Hamas?

It's as we predicted:

The Guardian’s Emma Graham-Harrison and Jason Burke report:
Israel has started using its new grid system for evacuation warnings, which breaks Gaza down into more than 600 blocks, and can be accessed through a QR code on leaflets and social media posts.
It appears designed to allow the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to try to shuffle civilians around in a shrinking battle space as they target Hamas fighters, by ordering them to leave areas that in some cases cover just a few blocks.
But on the ground, people said it had just added to their fear and confusion. After weeks of bombardment and blockades, most people have little access to electricity to charge phones and other devices, and even for those who can get online, the telecommunications system regularly collapses.
That means residents have no reliable way of accessing the map, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (Ocha) said.

@parksandrecs I also don't know how it is Israel can control the Rafah crossing. I think it might have been part of some earlier agreement between Israel and Egypt. Like you, I don't know how the siege targeted Hamas either. I'd have thought they would have their own stock of supplies.

@stormy4319trevor even if they did and managed to evacuate on time it's still pretty useless seeing as the places they are told to evacuate to are still being bombed aswell

Also... won't Hamas just move along with them?then what?

@parksandrecs I agree about the Rafah crossing. You should have seen the amount of posters at the start of the war who would come on to say stop blaming Israel and tell Egypt to let aid in
And each time someone would point out that actually not only has Israel bombed the crossing, they now control what can come in and how much and when

@Parkingt111 Exactly.

@Parkingt111 like another PP was saying the same yesterday about forewarning Hamas of airstrikes

Suspect they will use more checkpoints to weed them out - can't think of any other way

@parksandrecs Israel has had an agreement with Egypt for at least 12 years controlling exactly what/who goes in and out of Gaza

Just on the hospital theme - WHO team visited al-Nassar hospital in Khan Younis yesterday and this is the awful feedback from the director of WHO

“The reports of ongoing hostilities and heavy bombardment in Gaza are petrifying. Yesterday our team visited Nassar Medical Hospital in the south. It was packed with 1,000 patients — three times over its capacity.

Countless people were seeking shelter, filling every corner of the facility. Patients were receiving care on the floor, screaming in pain.

These conditions are beyond inadequate - unimaginable for the provision of health care. I cannot find words strong enough to express our concern over what we’re witnessing.

Ceasefire. NOW.”

^^

Just hideous and inhumane.

Totally agree

Only 10 hospitals still 'functioning' out of 36 And this is one of them
Expect the others are no better

Hope that there will be a large consignment of morphine in the next humanitarian aid delivery

The report of the Al-Nassar hospital sounds awful. This is one of the things I am really concerned about, the IDF have destroyed alot of the healthcare infrastructure and now the intense bombardment has started again, where will the injured go?
There's also many healthcare professionals who have been killed or injured
And right now in some of the hospitals they are already at the capacity to treat those who have critical injuries which means there's alot more civilians including children who will go untreated and die from infections

And seems like most have skipped over the fact that there was no sophisticated HQ under Al Shifa hospital like they claimed

A few weapons, a calender, one lift shaft, a tunnel that there only seems to be drone footage of and a abandoned cellar that had little to no sign of use.

Where was this great sophisticated HQ that they showed all those elaborate AI pictures of? There was nothing of the sort

And after all that there was outrage when former israeli PM told a reporter that ofcourse there's a bunker under Al Shifa because Israel were the ones who built it

Don’t forget that the tunnel had been built by them.

as I saw a comment yesterday hostages have been returned by talking and agreeing things between both countries. Not by destroying the country (and even less getting rid of Hamas)

@Parkingt111 it looks more and more like the total removal of healthcare is nearing completion

And whilst it's another drop in the ocean - the promised field hospitals don't seem to have started running either - not clear why that is. They are only of modest bed-capacity and nowhere near enough to compensate for the loss of the majority of the 9000 hospital beds there were pre-war

I really don't understand how this can be glossed over. They terrorised medical staff and patients for days, babies and vulnerable patients died because of it. We were told that they had proof of a sophisticated hq and then nothing. Israel just moves on to committing the next horror and people say 'But what else are they supposed to do' 🤷🏻‍♀️

I saw an on twitter a while ago, an ex-Israeli military intelligence officer saying that the importance of al-Shifa as Hamas HQ had been 'over-estimated' - make of that what you will - twitter+no chance of me finding it again

Hamas 'Command centre' according to IDF is now in Khan Younis - it would make sense to have moved it south but does anyone remember Ehud Barack ex prime minister saying Hamas HQ was in Khan Younis not al-shifa [before the fall of al-shifa]

Maybe the structure of Hamas command is different from what was expected from prior intelligence