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Conflict in the Middle East

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Efacsen · 26/11/2023 18:18

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

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Efacsen · 12/12/2023 10:35

Give yourself a break @Toothyfruity from mumsnet and avoid distressing images as much as you can

It's not good for anyone except the folks who enjoy the mud-slinging and name-calling and doesn't benefit anyone

Take care

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Efacsen · 12/12/2023 10:39

Only 11 'partially functioning' hospitals now

WHO: Gaza only has 11 partially functioning hospitals remaining out of 36

A World Health Organization (WHO) official said on Tuesday that only 11, or less than a third, of Gaza’s hospitals remain partially functional and pleaded for them to remain intact.

“In just 66 days the health system has gone from 36 functional hospitals to 11 partially functional hospitals – one in the north and 10 in the south,” Reuters reports Richard Peeperkorn, WHO representative for the Palestinian Territory, told a UN press briefing by videolink from Gaza.

“We cannot afford to lose any health care facilities or hospitals,” he said. “We hope, we plea that this will not happen.”

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Toothyfruity · 12/12/2023 10:41

If only not seeing the images would mean the children weren't being injured and murdered.

Thereissomelight · 12/12/2023 10:44

You do feel that you have to bear witness to the suffering. You feel you can’t just go Christmas shopping while that’s going on. But the truth is, you missing out on enjoying your life won’t help them.
What will help is sending money to charities if you can afford it and continuing to contact your politicians about finding alternatives to mass baby killing x

Efacsen · 12/12/2023 11:00

Seems like the siege at Al Awda is over with IDF storming the building - truly dreadful report on AJ which I'll post if verified

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Molymoly · 12/12/2023 11:21

Just switched on Al Jazeera and snipers are firing into Al Awda hospital. WTF is wrong with them?

Parkingt111 · 12/12/2023 11:23

@Efacsen it looks really bad
im thinking sky, BBC etc will be reporting on it soon

Silence1 · 12/12/2023 12:47

I was so naïve and over estimated Israel. I thought when they got control of Al shifa Hospital, it would be allowed to get back and running in some form.
I didn't realise their plan was actually to destroy all the medical facilities and leave them non functioning. The targets are the hospitals not Hamas
They even bombed a medical faculty in a University the other day.

"The situation in Kamal Adwan Hospital is catastrophic, Doctors Without Borders, known by its French initials MSF, has said, as the Israeli army continues its raid of the medical facility.
“We are outraged by what’s going on,” Leo Cans, MSF head of mission for Palestine, told Al Jazeera. “It’s the same scenario as al-Shifa Hospital repeating in other hospitals again and again.”
Cans said MSF doctors and health practitioners across Gaza were operating in conditions comparable to World War I, which took place over a century ago.
“We are operating on the floor. Children are arriving with very bad injuries, and [surgeons] have to do multiple operations but there are no more beds,” he said.
Hospitals have been forced to discharge patients they would not normally have due to the lack of space. Cans estimated 60 percent of the wounds get infected, becoming potentially life-threatening.
“This is totally inhumane, it’s totally unacceptable,” he said."

Efacsen · 12/12/2023 16:52

This is about medical evacuations abroad

Palestinians who have been injured during the war in Gaza are facing potentially fatal delays both in getting treatment within the coastal strip as well as in being evacuated abroad, caused by Israeli bureaucracy and military checkpoints, the UN and aid organisations say.

............... an Israeli NGO – Physicians for Human Rights Israel – said on Tuesday that only 400 Palestinians had been evacuated abroad, despite a number of countries being willing to receive the wounded.

Guardian

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Silence1 · 12/12/2023 19:32

That article about China saying enough is enough is interesting because they (and others) actually visited and saw first hand

Also it says Israel banned an ultrasound machine from being allowed into Gaza which ,bearing in mind the article I posted above of difficulties for pregnant women, is brutal.

Parkingt111 · 12/12/2023 20:03

This part is not even about the Israeli crossing but the Egyptian one and the level of control Israel has on it

Any person who wants to pass the border needs Israeli permission and there is a complex mechanism for approval which means it can take one to three days for people who need evacuating in hours.
Until yesterday 430 people have been evacuated out of the 49,600 people who have been injured despite the fact a number of countries including Egypt Qatar and Turkey have said they would take injured Palestinians.”

Efacsen · 13/12/2023 09:02

Only 11 partially functioning hospitals today

And this from Al Ahli the only hospital in N Gaza

The UN has described the last "barely functioning" hospital in northern Gaza as a "humanitarian disaster zone" - with corridors overflowing with patients and doctors treating people on the floors.

Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City is severely short-staffed, with over 200 patients but only enough resources to support 40, said Dr Richard Peeperkorn, the World Health

Organisation's representative in Gaza said in a briefing with reporters.
As they are unable to perform vascular surgeries, staff have taken to amputating people's limbs "as the last resort to save lives", he said.

‘Humanitarian disaster zone’: Gaza hospital capacity decimated – WHO

The last barely functioning hospital in northern Gaza is a “humanitarian disaster zone”, the UN World Health Organization (WHO) said on Tuesday, highlighting the disastrous consequences of ongoing Israeli bombardment for critically ill and injured civi...

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/12/1144682

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Efacsen · 13/12/2023 09:03

@Silence1 agree about the ultrasound scanner so cruel

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Toothyfruity · 13/12/2023 11:09

@Silence1 that article is unbelievable. I can't believe that this is real life.

The video that overwhelmed and upset me yesterday was a little girl who had cuts and burns all over her body and one of her feet was missing. So you either burn a little girl with white phosphorous or you bomb her in her bed and she gets crush injuries or shrapnel injuries. And then what?

You stop her getting any medical care because you've already bombed the hospital and forced the medical staff to leave? You leave her wounds as they are, to get infected and kill her? Or you ignore the situation while her limb is amputated without anaesthetic in dirty overcrowded conditions.

Like can some of the people who defend Israel explain to me why this is acceptable? I cannot get my head around the cruelty of it. It's absolutely savage. The people causing this are savages.

Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 11:45

The UN have re-iterated once again on the collapse of Gaza's healthcare infrastructure. Maybe I am being too optimistic by talking about the day after but does anyone know If any plans are being discussed on how they will be re-built?

Some of the hospitals have suffered extensive damage and with the amount of people that are injured (approx 46 thousand) even if they were working at full capacity they would not be able to cope

Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 11:45

The 46 thousand is for those with physical injuries
It Is not taking into account the hundreds of thousands more who are suffering from illnesses

Efacsen · 13/12/2023 11:54

Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 11:45

The UN have re-iterated once again on the collapse of Gaza's healthcare infrastructure. Maybe I am being too optimistic by talking about the day after but does anyone know If any plans are being discussed on how they will be re-built?

Some of the hospitals have suffered extensive damage and with the amount of people that are injured (approx 46 thousand) even if they were working at full capacity they would not be able to cope

I think that there has been an expectation that the 'immense wealth' of the Gulf States would re-build Gaza again as they have done previously after destructive wars with Israel

However, this time they are saying this cycle has to stop, we want to be part of the post-war negotiations and have said they won't re-build without a 2 state solution

Messy

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Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 13:05

@Efacsen I do understand why they would be possibly taking that stance this time
The cycle has to break and this can't continue. I think it's also maybe after what Biden said yesterday that Netanyahu was not committed to a two state solution that they would want to affirm their stance

Efacsen · 13/12/2023 13:14

@Parkingt111 I think it's entirely understandable too but don't know how keen Israel [or the US[ will be to have Arab states involved in the way they want to be

When I was typing my post I was reminded of the lovely Hammad Residential complex that was destroyed in a fit of pique - it's the disrespect as well maybe rather than the money per se

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Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 13:21

@Efacsen yes the Qatari sponsored Hammad complex that was bombed the moment the negotiations stopped. That seemed like a snub to me

I'm seeing some horrific reports coming out right now about a massacre in a UN school of civilians. Waiting for more information or if MSM reports on it

Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 13:26

This was on Sky about the ambulance convoy that was stopped recently by the IDF

A patient has died after a medical evacuation convoy was held up by Israeli troops, according to World Health Organisation chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.
A Palestinian Red Crescent staff member also told the WHO he was separated from the convoy, stripped, beaten and harassed before being sent out hours later on foot without clothes or shoes, and his hands still tied behind his back.
"His story is harrowing, and the humiliation and inhumane treatment he was subject to is rather shocking," said Richard Peeperkorn, WHO representative in Gaza, who was on the convoy.

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