Freedom of speech you say?

[Ohlalalalala]

So it's OK for famous/ less famous people to back one side but not OK for others to back another side?

These are just a few examples of how pressures/ firings are directed at those criticising Israel. Is this normal? What the heck is happening? Is this to silence anyone from voicing what they think is the truth?

BBC News - Melissa Barrera: Actress fired from Scream 7 over Israel-Gaza posts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67494374

Susan Sarandon
https://deadline.com/2023/11/susan-sarandon-pro-palestinian-remarks-uta-dropped-1235632398/

Agent Maha Dakhil
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/tom-cruise-agent-maha-dakhil-palestine-b2451581.html

I would have understood if they imposed a kind of blanket gag order on all actors/ celebrities not to discuss the conflict.

But!

This is happening while hundreds of others publically supported Israel and were instead celebrated.

McCarthyite witch hunt, I say.

”Won" you say?

Yes. During the Six Day War. When Israel’s neighbours banded together to try and destroy it, without provocation.

Ben Gvir was interviewed and asked about the settlements on the WB and how they were in contravention of international law. He kept denying it until finally the presenter asked him if they were legal, which law made them legal? He laughed and said God made them legal for the Jews, and we will not stop building settlements until the whole of Judea and Samaria (WB) is Jewish. This terrorist is head of security and has criminal convictions for violence against Palestinians the length of your arm. If the people democratically elected him I don't know what to say 😔

Pro-Israel lurkers reading and getting offended at every turn as they can’t handle the truth.

It's unsettling to hear politicians completely dismiss the law. But I think we will hear that WB is actually Israel more often now, and I wonder how Biden will respond. He can't keep talking about 2 states much longer.

Every day when you think it can't get worse, it does.

There is a whole bunch on here who are basically denying that Palestinians have a right to their own ancestral land. There needs to be a legal word to describe this Palestinian hate that these boards are filled with.

But everything else is bandied as anti semitism. Saying Palestinians deserve freedom is anti semitic. Saying we need a ceasefire is hurting Jewish sentiments.

But saying Palestinians are not... Palestinian? Sure.

There definitely needs to be a term for hatred towards Palestinians. Some posters have made it clear they believe they are terrorists from birth 😭.
Meta seem to want to propagate this narrative.

Palestine child shown with gun

The LBC interview @stormy4319trevor mentioned. Listen specifically to the discussion at 14.00 minutes into the show - Israeli government spokesperson disputes West Bank settlements are illegal under international law.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=eG5_6B1qlnM

Not sure I have seen what you have but I don't go on the main conflict threads really.

On twitter a couple of years ago people used to say Anti-Pal a fair amount. No idea if that is still used. I stopped using twitter

Anti-Palestinian Racism: A Resource
https://podur.org/2021/05/23/anti-palestinian-racism-a-resource/

Some excerpts:

The current war throughout Israel and Palestine, focused on Gaza – as Israel’s military campaigns have been since 2006 – is enabled by a powerful force throughout the West, one that is not talked about and rarely named: Anti-Palestinian Racism.

So far anti-Palestinian racism has been empowered by the inability to name it. It is time to name it, to recognize it in its examples and details, and root it out completely from every (admittedly small) area that anti-racists control.

What follows is a guide to help identify anti-Palestinian racism.
This resource does not focus on the overt and violent manifestations. Mass rallies of pro-Israel people chanting “Death to the Arabs”, lighting children like Ali Dawabshe on fire and celebrating their deaths, or lynching Palestinians for entertainment are obviously extreme forms of anti-Palestinian racism but only the most extreme racists (admittedly a large group in the West) defend these acts. Such people are not going to read this resource or be moved by any argument in it.

Not Islamophobia, not Anti-Arab Racism

Anti-Palestinian racism is rooted in the racism of settler-colonists towards so-called “natives”. It is “anti-native” racism nearly all of whose tropes are derived from previous settler-colonial projects like Canada, Australia, the US, Apartheid South Africa, and France in Algeria. Israel is a settler-colonial, apartheid state like these others. In the settler-native dynamic, Palestinians very existence is an obstacle to the settler state’s territorial and genocidal ambitions. Palestinian resistance causes the racism to ratchet up even higher. As long as these ambitions are there, racism will also be there. And as long as Western countries want to support these ambitions, these Western countries will support anti-Palestinian racism.

"...anti-Palestinian racism deserves its own categorization. It should be a separate item on the list of oppressions. It has its own unique dynamics and its pervasiveness is the very reason it has been impossible to name. It is a racism that cloaks itself in anti-racism. It is a racism that bullies and intimidates. It is a racism that pervades the structures of power in the West and runs so deep that it cannot be coherently opposed until its name can be spoken out loud.
The first step is recognizing what Anti-Palestinian racism is and what it is not.

Although these racisms are also inflicted upon Palestinians as well, anti-Palestinian racism is not Islamophobia and it is not anti-Arab racism. Indeed conflation of Palestinians and their struggle with either of these (admittedly important and overlapping) problems is itself a form of erasure of the Palestinian and therefore a form of anti-Palestinian racism.

**

Analytical problems arise when we don’t understand anti-Palestinian racism for what it is. Among them:

The false idea that any Muslim or Arab can speak for the Palestinians or negotiate Palestinian rights away on their behalf.

The celebration of Muslim-Jewish unity when there is no Muslim-Jewish conflict.

Jews aren’t racist towards Muslims, nor Muslims towards Jews. There is a settler-native dynamic between Israel and the Palestinians, in which Israel is the settler and Palestinians the natives. This dynamic comes with specific racist ideology – it is not anti-Arab racism. And it is not Islamophobia. It is anti-Palestinian racism.

Ohlalala, Israelis and Palestinians hate each other and there's a land war going on in the Middle East. I think we've all figures that put for ourselves! Given that almost everybody on these threads supports a 2 state solution, and wants rid of Hamas - not everybody in Palestine - what is your actual point?

The paper above is so interesting and explains in details about anti-Palestinian racism.

I could copy paste the whole thing as every bit is as important as the previous one. I urge anyone to read it.

Getting away with a call to genocide in Gaza https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/11/20/all-of-them

I remember watching this monster when she said that via a link posted on one of the threads. Can anyone remind me which one it is please?

I read it, it's....not great.

I was interested to see if it would discuss the second class citizen status of Palestinians in Jordan, neighbouring countries' refusal to take Palestinian refugees from Syria and so on, but it only focused on Israel.

It's got some inaccuracies (UK has not banned boycotting Israel), and is one-sided - it accuses countries of anti-Palestine racism while ignoring the humanitarian aid that pours in to support Palestinians from those same countries.

However, I'm not sure I'd expect anything better from something called the 'Anti-Empire Project'.

It's just another example of trying to reframe a complex land dispute as a simple coloniser project. Thus discouraging the kind of compromise solution that is the only peaceful way forward, and should have been decided decades ago.

Israel have and continue to contest the idea of a two state solution. They have made it perfectly clear they are not willing to withdraw from the illegal settlements. Daniella Weiss said the settlements are strategically dotted to ensure the Palestinians are enclaved and have no possibility to form a state. She said "either they learn to live with us (land grabbing, abusing, killing them) in peace or they will face the consequences".

Agree

Yet people wonder why Israel has give up on the idea of finding a peaceful solution in recent years and now only want to protect themselves from attack.

I don't agree with Israel politics but I can see how they got to this point and why they react like they do

Horrible.

This Is Ours – And This, Too : Israel’s Settlement Policy in the West Bank
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202103_this_is_ours_and_this_too

It is now over 24 hours since two Palestinians were mutilated & executed in Tulkarm by a Palestinian mob as seen on social media videos

The lack of media reporting & the silence from Human Rights NGOs is shameful.

This is proof. They do not care about Palestinians at all. Not by a long shot.

Israel has never wanted a peaceful solution. It's like your toxic, narcissistic husband who has mentally and physically abused you turning around and claiming "you don't want peace". It's just gaslighting and victim blaming. Surely you've seen the quotes that have come directly out of the mouths of the government? They don't even want the Palestinians to die in peace, let alone live in peace.

This is one of the many tragedies of the situation. People who profess to care about Palestine don't care about Palestinians at all. If they did they would be capaigning against Hamas who have brutalised their own people to such an extraordinary degree.