Freedom of speech you say?

[Ohlalalalala]

So it's OK for famous/ less famous people to back one side but not OK for others to back another side?

These are just a few examples of how pressures/ firings are directed at those criticising Israel. Is this normal? What the heck is happening? Is this to silence anyone from voicing what they think is the truth?

BBC News - Melissa Barrera: Actress fired from Scream 7 over Israel-Gaza posts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67494374

Susan Sarandon
https://deadline.com/2023/11/susan-sarandon-pro-palestinian-remarks-uta-dropped-1235632398/

Agent Maha Dakhil
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/tom-cruise-agent-maha-dakhil-palestine-b2451581.html

I would have understood if they imposed a kind of blanket gag order on all actors/ celebrities not to discuss the conflict.

But!

This is happening while hundreds of others publically supported Israel and were instead celebrated.

McCarthyite witch hunt, I say.

Under a series of agreements known as the Oslo Accords signed between 1993 and 1999, Israel transferred to the newly created Palestinian Authority (PA) security and civilian responsibility for many Palestinian-populated areas of the West Bank as well as the Gaza Strip.

So do you also think Israel owns the Gaza Strip? 😯

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/west-bank/#:~:text=Since%201994%2C%20the%20PA%20has,and%20goods%20through%20the%20territory.

It's occupied Palestinian territory.

@Alltheprettyseahorses

If you google the weather for the West Bank - even the completely apolitical Met Office calls it the OPT [Occupied Palestinian Territory]

What? That is pretty much the land that the Palestinians and their ancestors have been born in, farmed in, built homes in!

@MNHQ I have said nothing even remotely delete-worthy nor have I received an email saying why my post has been deleted.

The West Bank recently belonged to Jordan. Before that it was British and for the 400 years before that it was part of the Ottoman empire. Palestine may want to claim the land but it doesn't hold up.

@Alltheprettyseahorses so which part right now do you consider palestine?

The West Bank recently belonged to Jordan. Before that it was British and for the 400 years before that it was part of the Ottoman empire. Palestine may want to claim the land but it doesn't hold up. in that case , according to your logic it doesn’t belong to Isreal either, What Should we do ? give it back to the Turks?

What a strange question. The current land that comprises Palestine is Palestine of course. Just like Kosovo or Palau.

What? I was questioning when Palestine as we know it owned the land. Do you think a house belongs to its first owner despite being sold several times since?

@Alltheprettyseahorses I don't think you and I hold any common ground on the issue so I will leave the conversation here
Luckily it's also not you and I that gets to decide on the borders and statuses of different lands.
I will continue to define it according to the status given by the international community and the UN

So you finally concede that the West Bank is part of Israel. Because even I'd it wasn't, it would still not be part of Palestine, it would belong to Jordan.

@Alltheprettyseahorses no. That's you putting words in my mouth

@Alltheprettyseahorses are you on glue? Seriously?
Following your example then I declare Tel Aviv belongs to Palestine. Do you have a problem with that?

What? I was questioning when Palestine as we know it owned the land. Do you think a house belongs to its first owner despite being sold several times since
we’ve talked about this , I will say it Briefly again, after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire Palestinians registered lands under Ottoman rule were considered void , but lands bought by prominent families in the region and sold via Agents to Jewish Eastern European were recognised.

Okay, then you're happy to be wrong.

I just listened to LBC interview with Elon Levy. He said that they dispute that WB is illegally occupied and that the settlements are illegal. So, I suppose this must be the new take - WB belongs to Israel and international law is wrong, settlements will continue and god knows what they will do with the Palestinians living there. The government are saying it blatantly and the west is still wittering on about 2 state solutions. Madness. Anyway, I now understand where @Alltheprettyseahorses is coming from - although where they think Palestine is is anyone's guess.

Are you in the habit of declaring cities in one country to be part of another? Whatever next, New York is part of South Korea?

I'm coming from the fact that Israel won the West Bank territory from Jordan in 1967, that's where I'm coming from. I have no interest in this other than total and utter disbelief at the way the entire geopolitical history of the region is being rewritten in front of my eyes to suit a wacky, perceived-as-left-wing narrative. Post truth indeed.

"Won" you say?
Is the genociders playing a game now? Who kills the most Palestinians? Who maims the most? Who steals the most land?

Are you seriously coming here with your historical negationism? Trying to falsify and distort the truth with your fantasies?

My post got removed because the truth hurts 🧐

"The genociders"

Fucksake level of discourse is shite tonight.

Some discussions are so ridiculous... Just basic knowledge about how land and geography works

Everything you said was true. I don't understand why it was removed? @mnhq could you please enlighten us on why it was removed? Some pps on here are negating an entire people the right to their land and their posts are still up.