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Conflict in the Middle East

People tearing down posters of Israeli hostages - what is this supposed to convey?

127 replies

WilmaWonka · 22/11/2023 13:02

Just seen another article about someone tearing down posters of kidnapped Israelis.

This time an apparently well known ‘feminist’ artist who stated that she was ‘getting rid of the shit’.

Posters of civilian women and children, many who’ve seen family members murdered horrifically in front of them and are being held captive by the very people who carried out those atrocities, experiencing god knows what horrors in captivity. There can’t be a logical expectation that a government that carried out brutal murders, gang rapes, mutilation, and burnt babies and children alive would be treating them humanely!

Obviously that’s her reason for doing so and there’s been many other videos and reports of people in the UK and other countries doing the same quite openly. I’m quite old and I’ve never seen anything like this in my life before.

Would this be happening if they weren’t Israelis?

Do these people not understand that the barbaric murders and kidnapping of Israelis was the reason this war started in the first place, do they think these kidnappings are fake news?

Are they trying to convey that these kidnappings don’t matter as the Palestinians have been held in an ‘open air prison’, in total ignorance of why Israel had to blockade itself from them for the protection of its civilians?

Really can’t get my head around it.

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feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 13:36

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 13:33

I just couldn't imagine it happening in reverse.

If posters were put up of Palestinians- missing and under the rubble maybe? I can't think ANYONE would rip them down. So.. why is it ok if they're Israeli ?

Answer is ... It's NOT.

Judging by the very hateful anti Palestinian speech I've heard out of the mouths of the government of late, I can very much imagine it.

localnotail · 22/11/2023 13:53

feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 13:30

To be fair the Israeli government don't seem to care much. The families are speaking out about how they feel so let down and abandoned.

This is such an odd thing to say. Israeli government"doesn't care" so it's OK to tear down posters and ignore the suffering of innocent women and children tortured, kidnapped and killed by Hamas? There is no hierarchy of suffering. It's the same for Israeli kids and for Palestinian kids. But somehow for some humanoids one is less important than the other.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 22/11/2023 13:53

It's supposed to convey antisemitism, and it does that quite effectively.

localnotail · 22/11/2023 13:55

feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 13:36

Judging by the very hateful anti Palestinian speech I've heard out of the mouths of the government of late, I can very much imagine it.

What speech, please quote.

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 13:58

Feralunderclass Yet you HAVE to imagine it because it hasn't happened & never will happen. Not in civilised society.
You're being disingenuous saying otherwise.

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 14:00

TheWayTheLightFalls · 22/11/2023 13:53

It's supposed to convey antisemitism, and it does that quite effectively.

Indeed.

NmeChngeFail · 22/11/2023 14:01

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 13:33

I just couldn't imagine it happening in reverse.

If posters were put up of Palestinians- missing and under the rubble maybe? I can't think ANYONE would rip them down. So.. why is it ok if they're Israeli ?

Answer is ... It's NOT.

It happens more in reverse and is not reported.

I dont think there is enough space to put up the posters of the kidnapped Palestinian hostages or the babies that have been murdered. But the ones that have been put up have been vandalised with racist words or torn down.

There has been zero public outrage from the press. The only outrage has been for the Israeli posters being torn down.

vjg13 · 22/11/2023 14:05

TheWayTheLightFalls · 22/11/2023 13:53

It's supposed to convey antisemitism, and it does that quite effectively.

Yes this.

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 14:06

NmeChngeFail I'm Interested to know where these torn Palestinian posters have been ? I live centrally in a UK city & have yet to see any ?

NmeChngeFail · 22/11/2023 14:08

West London, Shepherds bush bus stop opposite Greggs. You can see them torn with the words terrorist underneath.

Outside the bus stop in Paddington St Mary's hospital. These are the ones I have seen with my own eyes. I'm sure there are more

TurquoiseMermaid · 22/11/2023 14:22

Because of white supremacy.

We live in a world that is predicated on white supremacy, and white supremacy is the reason why certain conflicts become hot button while others are ignored.

There's a ton of racism and white supremacy within the current obsession with Palestine, in at least three separate ways. First racism towards Jews and not seeing Jews as human beings because white supremacy does not regard minorities as human beings.

Second, white savourism towards Palestinians and the infantilising narrative that Palestians are helpless ickle victims who can only be saved by wonderful lovely white people. (A LOT of racism is in white savour narratives.)

Third, one of the main ways that white supremacy promulgates is by trying to pit minority groups against each other, and by creating and promoting the myth of the "good minority" and the "bad minority."

Fourth, there's a specific kind of woke white liberal who thinks of themselves as anti-racist but never ever speaks out about racism in their own country or neighbourhood, never talks about the need to dismantle white supremacy, really enjoys benefitting from their own white privilege and doesn't want to lose that, but is first in line jumping up and down pretending to be a brave anti-racism campaigner the second it's a minority group accused of doing the racism.

Free Palestine is the Free Tibet if 2020s. No one really cared about Tibet, it was just a virtue signalling trend (did most people even do anything except wear Free Tibet t-shirts?) that was a way for people to look like they were anti-racist while not having to combat or even acknowledge white supremacy and white privilege. And a lot of it was motivated by racism towards China and Chinese people and people basically exploited Tibet as justification for Sinophobia. Plus lots of very condescending and infantilising and racist stereotypes of Tibetan people.

Anyone who only gives a shit about racism when it's another minority group to blame is a flat out white supremacist in my opinion.

derxa · 22/11/2023 14:32

It always seems to be women who are doing this. They never have a coherent answer when challenged

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 14:34

Well I can't justify that NmeChngeFail

I can only assume the people who did that were retaliating thinking it's only fair that if no Israeli posters are permitted then none should be 🤷🏻‍♀️.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 22/11/2023 14:42

It's generally people who cannot entertain two thoughts in their head at the same time.

It's perfectly possible to feel sorry for the hostages and the victims in Gaza, yet this seems unfathomable for them.

ohdelay · 22/11/2023 14:44

TheWayTheLightFalls · 22/11/2023 13:53

It's supposed to convey antisemitism, and it does that quite effectively.

This. They get mad when caught doing it on camera but are happy enough with the act itself.

feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 14:46

localnotail · 22/11/2023 13:53

This is such an odd thing to say. Israeli government"doesn't care" so it's OK to tear down posters and ignore the suffering of innocent women and children tortured, kidnapped and killed by Hamas? There is no hierarchy of suffering. It's the same for Israeli kids and for Palestinian kids. But somehow for some humanoids one is less important than the other.

Edited

It has nothing to do with the posters being torn down, it was said in response to a poster saying this wouldn't happen to anyone else other than Israelis.

OuiOuiKitty · 22/11/2023 14:49

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 14:34

Well I can't justify that NmeChngeFail

I can only assume the people who did that were retaliating thinking it's only fair that if no Israeli posters are permitted then none should be 🤷🏻‍♀️.

Well, I can't justify that but I will try anyway Hmm

EasternStandard · 22/11/2023 14:55

Antisemitism yes but even more than that, it’s very sad

EdithStourton · 22/11/2023 14:56

feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 13:30

To be fair the Israeli government don't seem to care much. The families are speaking out about how they feel so let down and abandoned.

The Israeli government cares so little that is busy trying to arrange an exchange. In case you'd not noticed.

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 15:00

I was trying to reach for an explanation OuiOui but don't let me get in the way of your assumptions.

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 15:02

EasternStandard · 22/11/2023 14:55

Antisemitism yes but even more than that, it’s very sad

It's heart breaking.

OuiOuiKitty · 22/11/2023 15:06

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 15:00

I was trying to reach for an explanation OuiOui but don't let me get in the way of your assumptions.

Oh, sorry. I didn't realise only you were allowed to make assumptions. Perhaps you should stop at 'I can't justify that' next time, then people won't assume that your 'reaching for an explanation'(and you are right it was quite the reach, especially when they are tearing them down and spray painting 'terrorist') is your quite poor attempt at justification.

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 15:08

I'm not sure how that helps explain why the Israeli ones were torn down in the first place - which is the point of the thread ?

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/11/2023 15:12

There are people who judge different nationalities, colour, religion and ethnicities as lesser and/or dangerous. They do this sort of shit.Angry

OuiOuiKitty · 22/11/2023 15:13

BeggyMitchell · 22/11/2023 15:08

I'm not sure how that helps explain why the Israeli ones were torn down in the first place - which is the point of the thread ?

You are allowed to assume and 'reach for explanations' about why people are tearing down posters and spray painting terrorist but no one is allowed to reply to those posts because your posts aren't revevant? Why are you posting about them then?