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Conflict in the Middle East

10/7 Denial - TRIGGER WARNING

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StDuBois · 22/11/2023 10:18

TRIGGER WARNING - (SA, infanticide, torture)

If you are not Jewish or Israeli, I implore you to read this, especially if you have been denying the scale of the 10/7 massacre.

The 10/7 massacre was live-streamed by the perpetrators on their own social media platforms.

Initially, antisemites celebrated. After more and more heinous, indefensible details started to come out, antisemites started denying it happened at all.

A PHENOMENON NOT UNLIKE HOLOCAUST DENIAL

Holocaust denial is an antisemitic and anti-Romani conspiracy that denies or distorts the established facts about the Nazi genocide of Jews and Roma.

In 1996, Gregory Stanton, the founder of Genocide Watch, wrote a briefing paper for the US Department of State titled “The 8 Stages of Genocide.” In 2012, the paper was amended to add two more stages. According to Genocide Watch, the tenth and final stage of genocide is denial.

According to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, “Distortion of the Holocaust is rhetoric, written work, or other media that excuse, minimize, or misrepresent the known historical record.” A danger of Holocaust distortion is that from the outside, it might appear more credible than outright Holocaust denial. According to the IHRA Honorary Chairman Yehuda Bauer, “A half truth is worse than a full lie.”

Like Holocaust denial, 10/7 denial is not necessarily an outright denial that the massacre happened, but it can be a distortion of facts. For example, just like many Holocaust deniers claim that the Holocaust did indeed happen, but that it was only a plot for the Zionists to “get” Israel, 10/7 deniers can claim that 10/7 happened as a ploy for Israel to re-occupy the Gaza Strip.

Unlike the Nazis, who went through great lengths to cover up their crimes at the tail end of the war, the perpetrators of 10/7 gleefully live-streamed their war crimes and crimes against humanity.

NO, THE IDF DID NOT KILL ISRAELIS

Like Holocaust deniers of days past, 10/7 deniers are now blaming Israelis for their own massacre.

After the Israeli newspaper Haaretz published an article in which one anonymous police officer said that the police is looking into the possibility that some of the victims of the Nova music festival massacre were killed by fire from an IDF military chopper, antisemites took the statement out of context, distorted it, and disseminated it all the media and the internet.

In response to the Haaretz article, the Israeli police put out a statement that the investigation was only in regard to police activities on October 7, not military activities, and that as such, they do not have “any indication about the harm to civilians due to aerial activity there.”

The police later asked the press to “take responsibility for their publications and only base stories on official sources.”

Regardless, the conspiracy has taken a life of its own, so much so that Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas accused Israel of carrying out the massacre. Abbas later retracted his statement.

(TW)

YES, HAMAS RAPED WOMEN AND GIRLS

First, a question for the feminists: do you generally question survivors’ stories of sexual assault, or do you only do so when they are Israeli?

After the pro-Hamas crowd realized you cannot defend gang rape as a legitimate form of “decolonization” or “resistance,” they decided to deny that any such assaults took place.

While eyewitness testimony should be enough, apparently it’s not. But despite the fact that most of the bodies were charred or mutilated beyond recognition, the physical evidence still exists: “There is evidence of mass rape so brutal that they broke their victims’ pelvis – women, grandmothers, children,” according to a morgue worker.

“Many of the victims were in conditions too severe to identify, naked, and with clear signs of sexual assault,” according to the police.
In a video which was screened for journalists but has not been made available to the general public, “…a woman is unclothed from the waist down, with her underpants hanging off one thigh. She is lying face down and is dead. In another, a mutilated dead woman has her dress hitched up to her waist, with no underpants.”

The eyewitness testimony is just as harrowing. An eyewitness described an instance of gang rape: “He is here raping her…and then they pass her on to another person…she stood on her feet, she was bleeding from her back…[one of the terrorists] slices her breast and throws it on the road, and they’re playing with it. Afterwards, someone really penetrates her and shoots her in the head before he finishes. It’s not like he ejaculates and picks up his pants…He shoots her in the head while he’s still inside of her.”

“Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends' bodies, dead bodies,” said a survivor of the Nova music festival massacre.

(TW)

YES, HAMAS BEHEADED BABIES

After President Biden clarified that he had not personally seen images of beheaded babies, conspiracy theorists went into a frenzy. So let’s make this clear once and for all: yes, Hamas beheaded Israeli babies.

This has now been independently verified by a group of international forensic pathologists, though the corpses were so badly burnt that it’s impossible to discern whether the babies were decapitated before or after being set on fire.

Israel showed US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken photographic evidence of those decapitations, which he has verified, and the photos, which are extremely graphic, were published to the Israeli Prime Minister’s office Twitter.

(TW)

DID HAMAS BURN A BABY IN AN OVEN?

According to an Israeli first responder and witness, Asher Moskowitz, yes: “The body hardened and, unfortunately, appeared to have also swollen…And really, the heating element of the oven was on the body itself.”

This has yet to be verified by a third party.

NO, HAMAS IS NOT HUMANE

Do we even have to say this?
After disturbing security camera footage emerged of Hamas terrorists dragging two Nepalese hostages through Al Shifa Hospital, which has long been known to be their main headquarters, Hamas apologists started praising Hamas for supposedly giving the hostages medical attention.

So let’s make two things clear: (1) you don’t get to blow someone’s leg off and then call yourself “humane” because you then got them medical attention, and (2) there are at least five other hospitals between the site where the hostages were abducted and Al Shifa Hospital. The terrorists took them to Al Shifa not because they wanted to give them medical attention, but because Al Shifa is a Hamas base.

Similarly, people called Hamas humane after released hostage Yokheved Lifshitz, 85, said that the guards assigned to her didn’t hurt her and that she was fed, received medication, and was kept in clean condition. Of course, she also said she was beaten when she was abducted, though Hamas apologists leave out that part. Additionally, her husband is still captive, so of course she wouldn’t want to say anything to the media that would jeopardize his safety. Finally, photos from before and after the kidnapping show that Lifshitz lost a drastic amount of weight while in captivity.

To reiterate: you don’t get to violently abduct civilians and then call yourself humane.

Hamas is not denying the massacre. So why are you?

(credit - Debbie Lechtman at Roots Metals)

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Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 01:22

Humdingerydoo · 25/11/2023 01:07

Historically, this poster hasn't been overly concerned about being offensive.

We if they were more ready for school they might learn something

I have seen so many users that have years of knowledge about the middle east and this conflict reply to the poster. Yet they seem to learn nothing. User name seems very correct

Humdingerydoo · 25/11/2023 08:28

notsoready4school · 24/11/2023 23:52

Related to this op. I genuinely don’t understand why people are so keen on discrediting the incidents of 7/10. A group of young angry oppressed men who have been caged since birth and have hated the Israel for their losses finally break through and know this is the day they die. They did despicable things, why is that so hard to believe. Yea clearly some lies re beheaded babies and no scientific evidence was shared (rape kits etc) but given the scenario it seems plausible given where they were coming from. (Plausible re rape not beheaded babies)

What is not clear is in the 790 civilians reported by Israel who died that day, how many were killed/burnt by ‘friendly fire’. Probably significant given 200 Hamas were burnt by Israeli Defence beyond recognition and obviously they weren’t all huddled in a room, they had Israelis with them as that is what they came to do. Harm Israeli people or kidnap them. There is no such thing as precision scorching of humans so definitely quite a few scorched bodies were done by the Israeli forces in addition to the aerial shots from the helicopter. We will never know how many Israel killed but 200 mistakes is a lot given the total number of reported (1200).

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People are keen on discrediting the "incidents" as you so elegantly put it, although others would probably more accurately call it a massacre or mass slaughter, for the same reason as others are so keen on blaming anyone but Hamas for the amount of deaths that occurred that day. It's generally got something to do with how much they hate Israel and also how much they hate Jews in general.

I hope that helps clarify matters for you.

SomeCatFromJapan · 25/11/2023 08:38

A group of young angry oppressed men who have been caged since birth and have hated the Israel for their losses finally break through and know this is the day they die

I'd describe them more as radicalised, brainwashed psychopaths but then I don't have a sneaking admiration for them.

ProvincialLady1 · 25/11/2023 09:24

@notsoready4school If I knew this was the day I would die, I don't think I would use the time to rape and torture as many people as possible. But I guess what you're saying is we shouldn't expect any better from them??

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:23

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Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:29

SomeCatFromJapan · 25/11/2023 08:38

A group of young angry oppressed men who have been caged since birth and have hated the Israel for their losses finally break through and know this is the day they die

I'd describe them more as radicalised, brainwashed psychopaths but then I don't have a sneaking admiration for them.

Why though ? seriously why ? How would you feel if you were caged in with no rights to leave, no chances in life. Family members killed. No control over your own utilities. The only thing they know is Israel hates them and wants them contained. That’s not a resist comment, it’s a fact. They only hear what their families have gone through before, they only see what happens in their small cramped space.
Compassion for what brought them to this is sadly lacking around here. You really have no clue, you haven’t walked their shoes.

FromEden · 25/11/2023 10:31

@Livinginanotherworld Yeah what do we expect them to do? Diddums.

Well, for a start, maybe not rape, torture, behead, burn, kidnap innocent people? You are scum if you defend this, and it absolutely is about "taking sides" for people like you. You hate Jews, may as well just admit it because we can all see you

basculin · 25/11/2023 10:33

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:29

Why though ? seriously why ? How would you feel if you were caged in with no rights to leave, no chances in life. Family members killed. No control over your own utilities. The only thing they know is Israel hates them and wants them contained. That’s not a resist comment, it’s a fact. They only hear what their families have gone through before, they only see what happens in their small cramped space.
Compassion for what brought them to this is sadly lacking around here. You really have no clue, you haven’t walked their shoes.

I'm fairly sure I wouldn't rape murder and kidnap a bunch of innocent civilians.

basculin · 25/11/2023 10:35

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If you have sympathy for terrorists, who brutaly murdered people including children in their own home them there is something deeply wrong with you.

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 10:37

@Livinginanotherworld why rape women though?

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:43

FromEden · 25/11/2023 10:31

@Livinginanotherworld Yeah what do we expect them to do? Diddums.

Well, for a start, maybe not rape, torture, behead, burn, kidnap innocent people? You are scum if you defend this, and it absolutely is about "taking sides" for people like you. You hate Jews, may as well just admit it because we can all see you

I don’t take kindly to your racist comment, I don’t hate Jews! My great grandmother was jewish. She would be turning in her grave watching all this play out.
I’m marching today in London, many many Jewish people are here with me, we see you all.

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:50

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 10:37

@Livinginanotherworld why rape women though?

You don’t think the IDF have done exactly the same thing ? You are delusional. That doesn’t make it right, but open your eyes to what happens in the Israeli prisons to women from the West Bank and Jerusalem.

@basculin no I don’t have sympathy for terrorists, do you have sympathy for the babies and children in Gaza ? That makes you one as well.

noblegiraffe · 25/11/2023 10:50

Expressing sympathy and compassion for those who tortured, murdered, raped, burned men, women and children and essentially blaming them for being tortured, murdered, raped, burned isn't the virtuous position you think it is.

Those despicable men still had a choice not to do that. Unless you think that all Palestinians are both capable of and unable to resist such atrocities just because of where they live?

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 10:52

@Livinginanotherworld oh so it's ok then?

basculin · 25/11/2023 10:52

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:43

I don’t take kindly to your racist comment, I don’t hate Jews! My great grandmother was jewish. She would be turning in her grave watching all this play out.
I’m marching today in London, many many Jewish people are here with me, we see you all.

Oh you're the 'turning in their graves' poster, silence1 was it? I wonder how your not-made-up great grandmother would react to you sympathising with anti-Semitic terrorists whose raison d'etre is to kill Jews?

basculin · 25/11/2023 10:53

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:50

You don’t think the IDF have done exactly the same thing ? You are delusional. That doesn’t make it right, but open your eyes to what happens in the Israeli prisons to women from the West Bank and Jerusalem.

@basculin no I don’t have sympathy for terrorists, do you have sympathy for the babies and children in Gaza ? That makes you one as well.

You literally just said you have sympathy for terrorists.

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:55

Just like Israel had the chance to not kill babies and children. If their armed forces are supposed to be so good, why didn’t they send in crack troops to search out Hamas ? Why did they choose to flatten the entire place ? Do you think if we had a terrorist hiding out in a hospital in the UK, we’d just bomb it to bits ? No we’d send in a crack team of special forces.

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:57

basculin · 25/11/2023 10:53

You literally just said you have sympathy for terrorists.

You misquoted me, I said I have sympathy for the young Palestinian men who felt they had no chance and wanted revenge for their miserable lives.

noblegiraffe · 25/11/2023 10:57

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:57

You misquoted me, I said I have sympathy for the young Palestinian men who felt they had no chance and wanted revenge for their miserable lives.

The terrorists, you mean?

etmoiandme · 25/11/2023 11:04

My great grandmother was jewish. She would be turning in her grave watching all this play out.

If she saw some of your posts she wouldn't just be turning, she'd be sitting bolt upright. You're expressing explicit sympathy for - and therefore supporting - a group of terrorists whose raison d'etre is to kill Jewish people. Because they're Jewish.

basculin · 25/11/2023 11:04

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 10:57

You misquoted me, I said I have sympathy for the young Palestinian men who felt they had no chance and wanted revenge for their miserable lives.

And that revenge took the for of a massacre on October 7th. So terrorists.

I just noticed that @notsoready4school 's latest thread on why they hates the Jews has been deleted, and I'm beginning to wonder if they've regenerated. Is this a sneak preview of your next thread: "The October 7th attackers weren't that bad actually"?

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 11:13

@basculin oh that makes sense. The covert (or not so) antisemitism wrapped up in 'my mothers sisters brothers beat friends postman is Jewish'

Hmmmmmmm

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 11:24

etmoiandme · 25/11/2023 11:04

My great grandmother was jewish. She would be turning in her grave watching all this play out.

If she saw some of your posts she wouldn't just be turning, she'd be sitting bolt upright. You're expressing explicit sympathy for - and therefore supporting - a group of terrorists whose raison d'etre is to kill Jewish people. Because they're Jewish.

According to my mother, she was way before her time and what today would be called a peace activist.

etmoiandme · 25/11/2023 11:38

@Livinginanotherworld Good for her, sounds like she was a very cool lady but not sure of the relevance of your point. Are you drawing an equivalence between peace activists and expressing explicit sympathy and understanding for men who torture, rape and kill in the name of Hamas? Interesting. Is this a new definition of peace activism I'm not aware of? You think she would have supported Hamas? Because that would make her neither peace activist nor cool.

basculin · 25/11/2023 11:50

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 11:24

According to my mother, she was way before her time and what today would be called a peace activist.

😂

A peace activist who would be fine with her grandchild sympathising with violent murderers, okay then.

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