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Conflict in the Middle East

10/7 Denial - TRIGGER WARNING

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StDuBois · 22/11/2023 10:18

TRIGGER WARNING - (SA, infanticide, torture)

If you are not Jewish or Israeli, I implore you to read this, especially if you have been denying the scale of the 10/7 massacre.

The 10/7 massacre was live-streamed by the perpetrators on their own social media platforms.

Initially, antisemites celebrated. After more and more heinous, indefensible details started to come out, antisemites started denying it happened at all.

A PHENOMENON NOT UNLIKE HOLOCAUST DENIAL

Holocaust denial is an antisemitic and anti-Romani conspiracy that denies or distorts the established facts about the Nazi genocide of Jews and Roma.

In 1996, Gregory Stanton, the founder of Genocide Watch, wrote a briefing paper for the US Department of State titled “The 8 Stages of Genocide.” In 2012, the paper was amended to add two more stages. According to Genocide Watch, the tenth and final stage of genocide is denial.

According to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, “Distortion of the Holocaust is rhetoric, written work, or other media that excuse, minimize, or misrepresent the known historical record.” A danger of Holocaust distortion is that from the outside, it might appear more credible than outright Holocaust denial. According to the IHRA Honorary Chairman Yehuda Bauer, “A half truth is worse than a full lie.”

Like Holocaust denial, 10/7 denial is not necessarily an outright denial that the massacre happened, but it can be a distortion of facts. For example, just like many Holocaust deniers claim that the Holocaust did indeed happen, but that it was only a plot for the Zionists to “get” Israel, 10/7 deniers can claim that 10/7 happened as a ploy for Israel to re-occupy the Gaza Strip.

Unlike the Nazis, who went through great lengths to cover up their crimes at the tail end of the war, the perpetrators of 10/7 gleefully live-streamed their war crimes and crimes against humanity.

NO, THE IDF DID NOT KILL ISRAELIS

Like Holocaust deniers of days past, 10/7 deniers are now blaming Israelis for their own massacre.

After the Israeli newspaper Haaretz published an article in which one anonymous police officer said that the police is looking into the possibility that some of the victims of the Nova music festival massacre were killed by fire from an IDF military chopper, antisemites took the statement out of context, distorted it, and disseminated it all the media and the internet.

In response to the Haaretz article, the Israeli police put out a statement that the investigation was only in regard to police activities on October 7, not military activities, and that as such, they do not have “any indication about the harm to civilians due to aerial activity there.”

The police later asked the press to “take responsibility for their publications and only base stories on official sources.”

Regardless, the conspiracy has taken a life of its own, so much so that Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas accused Israel of carrying out the massacre. Abbas later retracted his statement.

(TW)

YES, HAMAS RAPED WOMEN AND GIRLS

First, a question for the feminists: do you generally question survivors’ stories of sexual assault, or do you only do so when they are Israeli?

After the pro-Hamas crowd realized you cannot defend gang rape as a legitimate form of “decolonization” or “resistance,” they decided to deny that any such assaults took place.

While eyewitness testimony should be enough, apparently it’s not. But despite the fact that most of the bodies were charred or mutilated beyond recognition, the physical evidence still exists: “There is evidence of mass rape so brutal that they broke their victims’ pelvis – women, grandmothers, children,” according to a morgue worker.

“Many of the victims were in conditions too severe to identify, naked, and with clear signs of sexual assault,” according to the police.
In a video which was screened for journalists but has not been made available to the general public, “…a woman is unclothed from the waist down, with her underpants hanging off one thigh. She is lying face down and is dead. In another, a mutilated dead woman has her dress hitched up to her waist, with no underpants.”

The eyewitness testimony is just as harrowing. An eyewitness described an instance of gang rape: “He is here raping her…and then they pass her on to another person…she stood on her feet, she was bleeding from her back…[one of the terrorists] slices her breast and throws it on the road, and they’re playing with it. Afterwards, someone really penetrates her and shoots her in the head before he finishes. It’s not like he ejaculates and picks up his pants…He shoots her in the head while he’s still inside of her.”

“Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends' bodies, dead bodies,” said a survivor of the Nova music festival massacre.

(TW)

YES, HAMAS BEHEADED BABIES

After President Biden clarified that he had not personally seen images of beheaded babies, conspiracy theorists went into a frenzy. So let’s make this clear once and for all: yes, Hamas beheaded Israeli babies.

This has now been independently verified by a group of international forensic pathologists, though the corpses were so badly burnt that it’s impossible to discern whether the babies were decapitated before or after being set on fire.

Israel showed US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken photographic evidence of those decapitations, which he has verified, and the photos, which are extremely graphic, were published to the Israeli Prime Minister’s office Twitter.

(TW)

DID HAMAS BURN A BABY IN AN OVEN?

According to an Israeli first responder and witness, Asher Moskowitz, yes: “The body hardened and, unfortunately, appeared to have also swollen…And really, the heating element of the oven was on the body itself.”

This has yet to be verified by a third party.

NO, HAMAS IS NOT HUMANE

Do we even have to say this?
After disturbing security camera footage emerged of Hamas terrorists dragging two Nepalese hostages through Al Shifa Hospital, which has long been known to be their main headquarters, Hamas apologists started praising Hamas for supposedly giving the hostages medical attention.

So let’s make two things clear: (1) you don’t get to blow someone’s leg off and then call yourself “humane” because you then got them medical attention, and (2) there are at least five other hospitals between the site where the hostages were abducted and Al Shifa Hospital. The terrorists took them to Al Shifa not because they wanted to give them medical attention, but because Al Shifa is a Hamas base.

Similarly, people called Hamas humane after released hostage Yokheved Lifshitz, 85, said that the guards assigned to her didn’t hurt her and that she was fed, received medication, and was kept in clean condition. Of course, she also said she was beaten when she was abducted, though Hamas apologists leave out that part. Additionally, her husband is still captive, so of course she wouldn’t want to say anything to the media that would jeopardize his safety. Finally, photos from before and after the kidnapping show that Lifshitz lost a drastic amount of weight while in captivity.

To reiterate: you don’t get to violently abduct civilians and then call yourself humane.

Hamas is not denying the massacre. So why are you?

(credit - Debbie Lechtman at Roots Metals)

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Efacsen · 25/11/2023 18:20

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This was deleted as it is not the spirit of the site.

It was widely reported yesterday BBC, Sky, Guardian. Telegraph, Al Jazeera etc etc etc etc etc

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 18:21

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 17:49

@Livinginanotherworld Palestinian Red Cross has confirmed all aid was delivered. It's on the news.
They are breaking the terms of the truce already.

It’s literally on the BBC new as well ( or do you think all media is lying) Only 3 aid trucks got through to Northern Gaza, there are 1,000’s of old and sick people still there who haven’t been able to get out as they are too old or ill to walk.

noblegiraffe · 25/11/2023 18:23

You’d think that Living would be desperate to clarify how their comments don’t mean they have sympathy for the Hamas terrorists instead of changing the subject.

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 18:23

@Livinginanotherworld it was on sky news...

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 18:29

noblegiraffe · 25/11/2023 18:23

You’d think that Living would be desperate to clarify how their comments don’t mean they have sympathy for the Hamas terrorists instead of changing the subject.

I really couldn’t be arsed as you are totally tunnel visioned anyway. I have better thing to use my energy on.

noblegiraffe · 25/11/2023 18:32

Better things than clearing up how you don’t sympathise with Hamas?

Weird priorities…

Livinginanotherworld · 25/11/2023 18:33

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 18:23

@Livinginanotherworld it was on sky news...

It’s on bbc as well live updates.

basculin · 25/11/2023 18:55

noblegiraffe · 25/11/2023 18:32

Better things than clearing up how you don’t sympathise with Hamas?

Weird priorities…

I think it's quite clear whether they sympathise with Hamas or not.

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 18:57

noblegiraffe · 25/11/2023 18:23

You’d think that Living would be desperate to clarify how their comments don’t mean they have sympathy for the Hamas terrorists instead of changing the subject.

This

basculin · 25/11/2023 18:57

Efacsen · 25/11/2023 18:20

It was widely reported yesterday BBC, Sky, Guardian. Telegraph, Al Jazeera etc etc etc etc etc

BBC are saying Hamas claims Israel are flying drones and stopping aid, which Israel are denying. Nothing about Israel killing people.

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 18:58

noblegiraffe · 25/11/2023 18:32

Better things than clearing up how you don’t sympathise with Hamas?

Weird priorities…

Very weird

I wouldn't want people to think I was sympathising with known terrorists

Supporting Hamas is illegal in the UK

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 18:59

basculin · 25/11/2023 18:55

I think it's quite clear whether they sympathise with Hamas or not.

Meaning we all think the poster does become they have said they do LITERALLY

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 19:02

10/7 Denial and sympathy for Hamas is equally wrong

It takes a special kind of person to post about agreeing with 10/9 supporters and that is the same kind of person that supporters and feels sympathy for Hamas

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 19:05

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This was deleted as it is not the spirit of the site.

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 19:08

Expecting the last post to be deleted because I named a user on it. However it was worth it 😂

Anyway again. Come support the Jewish people in the UK if you live in London or nearby. This march isn't about the conflict or political, it is to say no to hate crimes against Jewish people in the UK

10/7 Denial - TRIGGER WARNING
Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 19:10

OK done my bit

I am off for a nice cup of tea now

If anyone wants a Jeremy Corbyn annual ask Noblegiraffe. They make good Joke Christmas gifts to horrify your loved ones with 😁

etmoiandme · 25/11/2023 19:15

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 19:02

10/7 Denial and sympathy for Hamas is equally wrong

It takes a special kind of person to post about agreeing with 10/9 supporters and that is the same kind of person that supporters and feels sympathy for Hamas

Earlier I saw a certain Novara's reaction to watching a 10/7 screening, and although I shouldn't be surprised at his response, I did feel totally gobsmacked. They at least used to feign an attempt to reign it in, but not anymore. And he's not even the worst of them.

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 19:18

etmoiandme · 25/11/2023 19:15

Earlier I saw a certain Novara's reaction to watching a 10/7 screening, and although I shouldn't be surprised at his response, I did feel totally gobsmacked. They at least used to feign an attempt to reign it in, but not anymore. And he's not even the worst of them.

Yes they don't hide it anymore

They don't have to do they

It is now acceptable in a lot of social groups and media outlets

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 19:19

Right this time I am off. Nobody tag me

OuiOuiKitty · 25/11/2023 19:27

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This was deleted as it is not the spirit of the site.

I haven't posted here in a few days, now I remember why. You can still be pro Israel without being blind to the reality of what is happening or just insulting people. It's like trying to converse with a wall.

Parkingt111 · 25/11/2023 19:34

OuiOuiKitty · 25/11/2023 19:27

I haven't posted here in a few days, now I remember why. You can still be pro Israel without being blind to the reality of what is happening or just insulting people. It's like trying to converse with a wall.

Indeed
Just report the posts

3and2ready · 25/11/2023 19:34

FromEden · 25/11/2023 10:31

@Livinginanotherworld Yeah what do we expect them to do? Diddums.

Well, for a start, maybe not rape, torture, behead, burn, kidnap innocent people? You are scum if you defend this, and it absolutely is about "taking sides" for people like you. You hate Jews, may as well just admit it because we can all see you

I’m sorry, but are you talking about the idf there? “Rape, torture, burn etc?”

SomeCatFromJapan · 25/11/2023 20:08

I’m sorry, but are you talking about the idf there? “Rape, torture, burn etc?”

No, Hamas, as you know, hence the thread title. Are you here for a further spot of denial?

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 20:10

More baiting and thread derailment from the usual suspects.

3and2ready · 25/11/2023 20:17

SomeCatFromJapan · 25/11/2023 20:08

I’m sorry, but are you talking about the idf there? “Rape, torture, burn etc?”

No, Hamas, as you know, hence the thread title. Are you here for a further spot of denial?

No denial whatsoever. I believe hamas are capable of those acts, they are a terrorist organisation after all. I also know the idf soldiers are also big on terrorising. Many interviews, images videos have shown them being involved in those crimes too. Some however, don’t readily like to talk about the idf and the crimes they commit too. I guess you need to ask yourself who is in denial.