Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians

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It’s just heartbreaking. I’ve seen videos on twitter that are beyond anything I can even begin to describe. Palestinians are being murdered in their thousands and the western media is largely pretending it’s not happening.

The average age of the people who have been killed in Gaza is FIVE years old.

The UK media are not showing how the Israeli government is openly talking about, and cheerleading genocide now. Israeli government speaks about Palestinians as if they are not humans. They are saying women are targets as they can have babies. I’ve just read how, since October 7th they have taken over 5,000 Palestinians from the West Bank and tortured them. They were already routinely arresting Palestinians and taking them away from their family with no reason and no but this is not being adequately reported.

Please, please visit sites such as 972 magazine and declassified uk. The BBC, etc, unfortunately aren’t reporting the extent to what is going on.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-and-its-allies-are-repurposing-the-goals-and-lies-of-1948-in-gaza-in-2023/

No, your “feminist” feedback is just applying the lens of white/western liberal feminism to a situation and culture you don’t know or understand but yet feel qualified to judge and look down upon.

what you did it is just make assumptions about their oppression because you don’t know or understand their culture. You haven’t treated them any better.

assumptions about their oppression because you don’t know or understand their culture. You haven’t treated them any better.

I also make assumptions that the posters getting on my case here would not want to live under a culture where women have little autonomy over their reproduction.

No, your “feminist” feedback is just applying the lens of white/western liberal feminism to a situation and culture you don’t know or understand but yet feel qualified to judge and look down upon.

Feminism doesn't use cultural relativism to ignore injustice against women nor their oppression.

I don't care if I offend groups that defend shitting on women and girls, including religious cultures like Catholicism, fundamental Mormonism, US evangelical purity culture, some sects of Orthodox Judaism, Islamist extremism, cultures with FGM, etc.

I'm not pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. Someone mentioned feminism so I decided to share what a feminist angle on this conflict would look like.

Well perhaps as a concerned feminist, you’d be better off prioritizing your outrage against the biggest and proven oppressor of Palestinian women and taking a position, rather than making assumptions about the patriarchy of their culture or reproductive rights. Perhaps prioritize their right to have a c-section with anesthesia because medical supplies have not been intentionally withheld by Israel. Or the right not be forced to watch your children crushed to death in front of you because your entire apartment building has been bombed by Israel. Or the right to have the child you carried for 9 months not be left to waste away to a pile of bones in an incubator because Israel didn’t allow it to be evacuated. Or the right not to be denied the use of feminine hygiene products because Israel is arbitrarily withholding humanitarian supplies. Or let’s get even more simple - the right to have food, running water and electricity not be intentionally withheld. The right not to have to queue 5 hours to use a toilet.

Not much good being able to ask for a free abortion and a divorce if you’ve starved to death first is it ? Perhaps that’s what a feminist critique of this conflict should look like ?

Thank you @Desertrose2023 everything you have said is what I felt.

If I have time I will write a longer post asap but as an aside, one of my children had to have stitches for a minor injury recently and it was very harrowing for them even in a safe hospital (no threat of bombs raining down any second) and with pain relief readily available. The thought of what Palestinians are going through in medical terms alone is just horrific. Those poor, poor men, women and children. I saw one report about a surgeon who had to amputate his own child’s limb without anaesthesia, as it was their best chance of survival but unfortunately they still didn’t make it.

The contortions people get themselves into to defend the indefensible really are bizarre at best but actually deeply offensive.

You only see what you want to see. No where did I defend the bombing of women and children nor did I prioritize suffering. I think you and @Desertrose2023 care more for boosting your sanctimonious ego than in applying critical thinking or actually reading what people say.

I read what you said and I stand by what I said.
the women and girls in Gaza are being intentionally deprived of sanitary pads, water, food, electricity and their children are dying slow horrific deaths buried under rubble by the Israeli army. Meanwhile, instead of outrage at these ongoing injustices against women, the best western liberal “feminists” can come up with is sitting in their privileged ivory towers critiquing whether Palestinian women have easy enough access to abortion clinics and quickie divorces.
Keep telling yourself you care for women if it makes you feel better. I’ve personally got no time for fake feminism. Thanks.

Here is a link to a 2011 EU Parliament Directorate General for internal policies report about gender equality and women’s rights in the occupied territories and Gaza. Bit old but the author was based in University of Exeter which is well regarded.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201110/20111027ATT30536/20111027ATT30536EN.pdf
Conclusions: Women’s rights are impeded by both internal patriarchal control and Israeli occupation. The issues are entwined because the occupation has pushed out the political left and created poverty and reluctance to engage with the legal system. Women’s education has been impacted by conflict and occupation. 28% students in a 2 year period had studies interrupted by killings, injuries or arrests and gender specific harassment at checkpoints by Israeli soldiers was a problem as well. Real social , economic and political empowerment was blocked by Israeli occupation. The personal status laws (PSL)that essentially date to the Ottoman Empire did not give women equal rights and labour laws were fairly inadequate generally.
Women’s reproductive health services were adversely affected by the volatile foreign funding model and by restrictions of mobility, including access to life saving care in some instances. The taboos surrounding reproductive health and sexual/ domestic violence also seen as a serious problem.
Another contemporary report from the Norwegian refugee council in 2011 focussed a lot on these PSL and how the political situation made it difficult to modernise the laws that disadvantaged women. The PSL in Gaza were frozen more or less as 1954 Egyptian law. The council concluded that the 6 preceding decades of conflict, insecurity and instability had bolstered the influence of families and clans and made women distrustful of legal authorities.
The conflict amplified the way that sharia tends to disadvantage women- unemployed ex husbands not paying child support, literally living on the roof of in-laws house, being widowed and having cover up at home because of male in-laws etc etc
So perceived slow progress on women’s rights in the early part of this century seems to have been due to the same poverty, instability and conflict that favoured the success of Hamas.
https://www.nrc.no/globalassets/pdf/reports/the-sharia-courts-and-personal-status-laws-in-the-gaza-strip.pdf

I saw this horrific statistic today. Just awful. A good friend of mine lost her leg in a sporting accident, and even with the best care, she was still in significant pain and had a long, long physical and mental recovery. To think that these children, some only toddlers, are having to endure this without any pain medication and no rehabilitation is just so upsetting.

Thank you @Kindatired , very informative post.

@Tripper79 its heartbreaking, isn’t it?

The perpetrators of this must be tried for war crimes / crimes against humanity.

sorry if a bit off topic, but the issue of women’s rights in Gaza being improved by removing Hamas being a good idea seems to feature regularly on SM. The evidence doesn’t seem to indicate that if you make women homeless, unemployed, widowed, bereft, sick, starved and traumatised that you will be improving their lives.

Please watch

Like the OP has said we should not continue to do everything we can to speak up and use of our voices to demand an end to this conflict. Don’t be intimidated.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C15TNPRLmk3/?igsh=MWhrb3ZiYXdueHUybw==

Also object to the burning of females who refused to turn to Islam. twitter.com/AzzatAlsaalem/status/1744737360678703501?s=19

@StrawberriesSW1 that's evil and sickening.

Responsibility for the actions of ISIS in their horrific crimes against the Yazidis lies with ISIS. Not with the innocent people being killed, injured and traumatised in Gaza. Trying to use the Yazidis' ordeals to score points to try to justify or diminish the suffering of people in Gaza is disrespectful to the Yazidis and to the people of Gaza.

What does this have to do with Palestinians? This is in Iraq isn’t it?

I find this post Islamaphobic but maybe I’m missing something
Extremists in a separate country carry out atrocities and you appear to be linking it to an excuse for a genocide
You are intimating that Hamas are Muslims, the perpetrators of the Mosul atrocities were Muslims therefore….. I’m not exactly sure..
The links in my earlier posts have reports from two reliable sources that indicate that conflict, instability and lack of self determination are the underlying issues that impede women’s reproductive health and prevent improvements in employment and family law in the Palestinian Territories .

You're not missing anything at all, it is Islamaphobic and very much reeks of all Muslims are the same.

It also fails to take into account that Isis rose precisely because of actions carried out by George W. Bush in Iraq.

It seems Islamophobic because it is Islamophobic.

This poster has spammed multiple threads with this identical random post. It’s been deleted from a few threads. I think we should just ignore them.

I’d like to counter that post by sharing this lovely image that crosses the religious divide in and will resonate with you mumsnetters- it’s from the Catholic news agency , the subjects are Jewish and they were from what is now Palestine. This scene is being replicated every few hours

They were from Nazareth, which is in Israel.