Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians

[Finallyloggedin]

It’s just heartbreaking. I’ve seen videos on twitter that are beyond anything I can even begin to describe. Palestinians are being murdered in their thousands and the western media is largely pretending it’s not happening.

The average age of the people who have been killed in Gaza is FIVE years old.

The UK media are not showing how the Israeli government is openly talking about, and cheerleading genocide now. Israeli government speaks about Palestinians as if they are not humans. They are saying women are targets as they can have babies. I’ve just read how, since October 7th they have taken over 5,000 Palestinians from the West Bank and tortured them. They were already routinely arresting Palestinians and taking them away from their family with no reason and no but this is not being adequately reported.

Please, please visit sites such as 972 magazine and declassified uk. The BBC, etc, unfortunately aren’t reporting the extent to what is going on.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-and-its-allies-are-repurposing-the-goals-and-lies-of-1948-in-gaza-in-2023/

This is hard to stomach. Only bad people would behave like this.

I wonder will there be any explanation or justification from the many posters here who claim it isn't ethnic cleansing and land grabbing?

You can have the house by the beach as well if you want
https://twitter.com/SaraCKafa1/status/1736281796499616117

I do feel like many are posters feel it's justified or just claim it isn't happening because our Western media isn't reporting it.

We are getting the sanitised lightweight version of events because it doesn't suit the mainstream narrative. If it isn't reported it is claimed it is false or "isn't happening" or is just ignored and deflected back to "but Hamas". Even though there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Goes to show how much the mainstream media narrative drives the opinion, belief and general consensus of many of the general public.

https://news.sky.com/story/benjamin-netanyahu-is-openly-defying-the-us-and-they-want-him-gone-13032418

Fortunately, it is not up to the US and any other country, not France, not any country in the UN.

The IDF must prevail in eliminating this evil.

Israel should do it financially alone then. If they shouldn’t pay any regard to what the rest of the world thinks then they shouldn’t be taking money or anything else from those Countries.

@missyB1 what about the billions misappropriated going into Gaza? The infrastructure and basics that are missing because they and their supposed 'refugee agency' don't spend their money properly.

What’s that got to do with Israel not needing to listen to international pleas about the loss of so many innocent lives? I just pointed out that if Israel want to go it alone they should do so financially too.

@Stomacharmeleon I think the main reasons the infrastructure and basics are missing are firstly because they have been living under occupation for 75 years after the first Nakba where many thousands were killed and displaced, and more recently inside an open prison in Gaza. Then secondly because the IDF have been bombing hospitals, schools, water supplies and anything else they possibly can in the last few months.

As I’m sure you will know, many Israeli government officials have made no secret of wanting the whole of Gaza destroyed.

Can you answer me this question, faced with this brutal occupation, how do you think Palestinians should resist. I agree that Hamas are not the answer, but what is? Remember Palestinians have been peacefully demonstrating for decades. They get shot at even for this. Also how should Israeli citizens support Palestinians’ right to a free and peaceful life?

It’s hardly fair to say that Gaza was an open prison.
If the majority of Palestinians vote for Hammas how will there ever be peace?

@Finallyloggedin listen I don't want to get into the ring with you but I disagree with almost every sentence in your last comment.
'Open air prison' nope.
The first 'nakba' aka (and I know this is going to Piss you off) but you win a war, you take the territory, you don't just hand it back. I admit the Palestinians were ill advised by other Arab countries at the time.

Hopefully there is a peaceful solution that disbands and removes anything that facilitates terrorism next to Israel and supports a Palestinian state when the time is right and the political landscape settles. I do not like the right wing/ pro settlers in the Israeli government and I expect Netanyahu to go fairly soon. A better balanced coalition will be better for Israel.

I am completely in favour of that. I would bolster the border and leave Gaza to its own devices with the support of their neighbours and the huge amounts of aid. I would not interfere but I would isolate it.

I do not agree all they want is freedom and their own state and all the time that is the case I will be In support of Israel. Peace has been on the table as has a two state solution and it's has been turned down numerous times. Hopefully after this conflict there will be elections in Gaza and the people of Gaza will be properly represented.

The views of the US do matter to Israel. Israel has received more foreign aid from the US than any other country since WWII. The United States committed over $3.3 billion in foreign assistance to Israel in 2022, the most recent year for which data exists.

@Analien49451 that's a very offensive thing to say.

@Stomacharmeleon territory isn’t always taken when wars are won. But in situations when it is taken, the indigenous people can never forget about it as they no longer have their homeland. They can’t just ‘move on’ as they have nowhere to ‘move on’ to. Nelson Mandela famously said “We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians”.

I see that you have said about how you hope things will proceed in Israel but I don’t think you answered the specific question about what Palestinian resistance should look like?

Also, am I understanding you right that you believe the wall around Gaza should remain. When you say “leave them to their own devices” do you mean that Palestinians should live in there but not have free movement in and out. If not, who should control this? And if you think the IDF, why? Also there is the gas/oil off the coast of Gaza that Israel has just given out licenses for. This is should be under Palestinian jurisdiction, should it not? If they are being “left to their own devices” as you put it, they should rightly benefit from any natural resources.

these are just a few of the questions I have for you, I do have many more but appreciate I have already asked a lot.

Yes I know that, it’s @Stomacharmeleon tjat doesn’t want to admit that Israel would seriously struggle without USA.

@MissyB1 I think it's a symbiotic relationship. They rely on each other in different ways and have done for years.

@Finallyloggedin happy to answer questions. Debate is healthy and I have learnt a lot being on these threads.
Will have a proper think about your questions and get back to you.

@GreekDogRescue when did the majority of Palestinians vote for Hamas?

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/israel-gaza-palestine-british-zionism-starmer-sunak-balfour/

Very well written and informative article.

Sorry but I will not be objecting to the genocide because I do not think it is a genocide yet. More could be done to minimise losses, certainly.

I am glad that The BBC is being urged to drop singer Olly Alexander as its entrant for Eurovision after it emerged he signed a letter calling Israel an 'apartheid regime' and accusing Jewish state of 'genocide'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12889229/bbc-urged-sack-olly-alexander-uk-eurovision-entrant-letter-against-israel-signed.html

I’m not a particularly big fan of Olly Alexander but I’m so pleased he has spoken out on this - good for him! And he’s right.

@MissyB1 seems a bit "cancel culture" and suppression of free speech to try to get him dropped over that. It shouldn't be cancellable to speak out against oppression.

Snowflakes. People are allowed to have opinions.