Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians

[Finallyloggedin]

It’s just heartbreaking. I’ve seen videos on twitter that are beyond anything I can even begin to describe. Palestinians are being murdered in their thousands and the western media is largely pretending it’s not happening.

The average age of the people who have been killed in Gaza is FIVE years old.

The UK media are not showing how the Israeli government is openly talking about, and cheerleading genocide now. Israeli government speaks about Palestinians as if they are not humans. They are saying women are targets as they can have babies. I’ve just read how, since October 7th they have taken over 5,000 Palestinians from the West Bank and tortured them. They were already routinely arresting Palestinians and taking them away from their family with no reason and no but this is not being adequately reported.

Please, please visit sites such as 972 magazine and declassified uk. The BBC, etc, unfortunately aren’t reporting the extent to what is going on.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-and-its-allies-are-repurposing-the-goals-and-lies-of-1948-in-gaza-in-2023/

"I’m not sure that Israel is a safe haven for anyone who isn’t an extreme Zionist."

Not when adjacent nations are firing rockets whenever they feel like it.

@Finallyloggedin do you know many people who live in Israel?

Well it looks like Israel is making a deal with Hamas to release 50 Israeli hostages in return for releasing 150 females and males under 19 convicted terrorists and ceasefire for 4 days and allow lots of aid into Gaza. Hamas is getting the better deal by far so clearly Israel does care about their hostages.

@caringcarer the view from hostages families is absolutely that the government do not care. They marched for 5 days last week in protest to demand the government accept the hostage deal that has been on the table for five weeks. Even still two parties in power refused it but it looks like it will be pushed through.

You say Palestinians are not Hamas. But Hamas are Palestinians voted into power by other Palestinian's.

@Decisiontimenow it hasn't been 'on the table' for five weeks at all. That's untrue.
Parties opposed it as it sets a precedent that taking people hostage works. Israel wants to avoid it happening again and for all hostages to be released not a few.

And to all the people objecting to my use of the word genocide to describe the murder and displacement of thousands upon thousands of people, you also need to look at how low you are stooping.

As soon as The Hague and the UN call it genocide, I'll concede to that term but currently what you are describing are actions that the UK under Winston Churchill and the US under Roosevelt and Truman have committed. Has this become a semantic argument or is it inflammatory? I'm not sure what arguments about a word will do to stop wars? In fact, unless we use facts and clear communication, we risk giving some conflicts more emphasis than others. Because if every conflict with civilian deaths gets called a genocide, that word loses its meaning. I assume it's intended to shame Jews who did experience a genocide of 7 million people.

And I don't remember Hitler agreeing to any ceasefire a month and a half after invading Poland. And let's also remember who broke this current ceasefire- it was Hamas.

Tell me how you don’t know anything about Gaza without telling me you don’t know anything abut Gaza

50% of the population is below age
last time they voted was 2006 I think so anyone below 30 in Gaza hasn’t had a chance to vote. So 60-70% of the population be punished because 17 years ago some voted Hamas in?

So going by your logic Israelis are what? Far right, facist genocidal maniacs? They voted Netanyahu in only last year, so have no excuses at all.

@OuiOuiKitty as you well know it's a coalition of right wing, fascist manics and others. They have also had elections... five times in five years so not an agreed consensus.

Hamas need to go from what you have both been posting. No elections. Opposition murdered. Half the population never voting. A population that's exploded.... with it the ethnic cleansing myth. They need to step aside. And excusing their behaviour by saying 'well they are terrorists what do you expect?' Is not good enough.

The last elections were in 2006. Hamas took power by force in 2007, I believe they murdered a few people from Fatah to accomplish that.

No one under the age of 34 could have cast a vote for Hamas, the voting age is 18. 70% of the population in Gaza is under the age of 30.

Is Israel the only democracy in the middle east until you want to blame the people in Gaza for bring this misery on themselves?

@Finallyloggedin
I'll try ask my question again.
"Many Palestinians, prior to October 7th, just wanted to live in peace with Israelis and share the land. It is Israel’s government who won’t agree to share the land."

I'm curious to see evidence of this? I'm trying to educate myself.
Can you send me links to some sources that show the statistics of how many Palestinians would like to live peacefully alongside Israelis, and would like to share the land?

This is an interesting article which is an interview with a former Israeli prime minister. This interview was taken This year before the war started. Now he himself is not squeaky clean but his interview as an Israeli talking about the situation in Israel is quite insightful

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/3/16/23639947/palestine-netanyahu-israel-protests-ehud-olmert

I can't post the whole interview but one part of the article:

“We can’t afford to continue to live under circumstances where there are millions of people without rights which we occupy without giving them the basic elementary rights that they deserve. It’s as simple as day,” he told me. “I feel that we’re coming close to the point where Israel will be perceived as an apartheid country.”

I would definitely recommend to read the short interview
It's clear in my opinion that the problem seems to be Netanyahu and Co which many Israelis themselves disagree with according to recent polls

@Finallyloggedin 60% of Palestinians in 2014 though their final goal should be ' reclaiming the land (historic Palestine) from the river to the sea'
A poll published in 2021 by the Palestinian centre of policy and survey research said that 39% would like two state solution and 59% are opposed.

So not the case....

I'm curious to see evidence of this? I'm trying to educate myself.
Can you send me links to some sources that show the statistics of how many Palestinians would like to live peacefully alongside Israelis, and would like to share the land?

Some stats in this article (from Oct 2023). It states
“Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.”

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah

Ah, ignorance at its finest.

As soon as they start calling it genocide you will say they are anti-Israel and/ or antisemitic as the UN has already been branded many a time.

@Ohlalalalala you have a crystal ball, do you?

Seriously like arguing with teenagers.

Look at my posts. I'm no fan of any government in the Middle East and the majority of my posts are resentment at this intractable conflict of 4000 years. Generational hate resentment has destroyed peace process after peace process. Emotional hyperbole from westerners isn't helping anyone.

@Stomacharmeleon I would say that 39% of the population is many.

@Finallyloggedin and I could say the majority don't want peace.

and I could say the majority don't want peace.

50% of Gazans support the 2 state solution (according to the article I just posted). That’s still not a majority I guess but better than 39%

Swedish PM talking about Israel’s genocide … oops
https://twitter.com/Majstar7/status/1727277611141972192