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Conflict in the Middle East

School students marching in support of Palestine

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Sausagenbacon · 17/11/2023 09:35

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/palestine-march-tower-hamlets-east-london-israel-gaza-b1120876.html
Why are schools allowing/enabling students to do this?
Is it part of what schools should do, promoting frankly one-sided protest? And what will they decide to march about next? Just imagine being a Jewish student in the middle of this.
I find it sinister.

'Hundreds' of schoolchildren join pro-Palestine protest in Tower Hamlets

Thursday's march forms part of Friday's "National School Strike for Palestine" initiative

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/palestine-march-tower-hamlets-east-london-israel-gaza-b1120876.html

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Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:02

Coffeepants · 17/11/2023 23:56

Are you arguing that Israel is not a terrorist state? They are literally bombing innocent civilians to no end for over a month. It’s a genocide.

Change the record. We know what Israel is doing and why they are doing it. Why do more innocent children need to be dragged into this?

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:08

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:01

You don't need to state your last paragraph. It's been stated many many times on this board. We all see and read the news. That's got nothing to do with the indoctrination of children to suit your self righteousness. If this was a cause you didn't believe in, you'd be the first to shout it down.

But surely the point is that murdering thousands of children is always wrong, and therefore marching in opposition to this is always right.

Coffeepants · 18/11/2023 00:09

Because standing up is the right thing to do otherwise. Change the record? While children are being massacred? Gosh, check if you have a heart!

Stomacharmeleon · 18/11/2023 00:09

@Carverbill because the virtue signalling and the need to endlessly repeat the same phrases on these threads is ridiculous.

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:10

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:08

But surely the point is that murdering thousands of children is always wrong, and therefore marching in opposition to this is always right.

Of course children being killed is wrong but to use children to tug at heart strings is just wrong. This is an extremely complex conflict. There are wrongs on both sides.

Kindatired · 18/11/2023 00:10

The tide of public opinion is predicted to end the Gaza bombings, but the longer it goes on the more innocent people will be killed. Peaceful protest is an important way of signalling to governments that they need to stop supporting the Israeli government bombing.
This is a complex proxy war but the US and UK are still accountable to their electorates and analysts talk about the “diplomatic clock”. To allow the killing of thousands of people to go unchecked is to become complicit and it's commendable for young British people to take part.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-773065
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Peace-People

Israel FM: Israel has a diplomatic clock of only 2-3 weeks for Gaza war

“From a diplomatic point of view, we recognize that pressure has begun to bear on Israel. The pressure is not very high [now], but it is increasing,” Cohen said.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-773065

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:11

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:10

Of course children being killed is wrong but to use children to tug at heart strings is just wrong. This is an extremely complex conflict. There are wrongs on both sides.

Give them some credit. They obviously understand that mass murder of children like themselves is wrong. It's not "tugging at heart strings". Just because they're young doesn't mean they're stupid or can't tell right from wrong.

Trulywonderful · 18/11/2023 00:12

So people are saying it is fine for children as you as this to miss a day of school. Then go on a march with some on a Megaphone shouting about terrorists. To which the young children have to shout back a reply. Older teenagers marching of there own choice is very different to what has gone on. You can't use young children children as tools to project your own views. That is not what children are for and it doesn't matter the side of the conflict or the topic of protest

If this was done as a vigil to all the children that has dead or something else more appropriate to these childrens age then that wouldn't be as bad. However it isn't a vigil, it is a lot of adults getting little children to protest in an adult way.

School students marching in support of Palestine
Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:12

Stomacharmeleon · 18/11/2023 00:09

@Carverbill because the virtue signalling and the need to endlessly repeat the same phrases on these threads is ridiculous.

The emotional blackmail merry-go-round is working over time.

Stomacharmeleon · 18/11/2023 00:15

@Toothyfruity I would hope you would be encouraging that the massacring of all Children is wrong not just children one side of the conflict. We still have hostages missing and lot of small children and babies. Hamas is still refusing to allow the Red Cross to check their welfare or anyone in fact.

Shouldn't peace be the objective not one sided bias.

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:16

Oh come on! They are kids and you advocate manipulating them. That is plain wrong. What about teaching critical thinking skills. You are just showing a snap shot of complex historical events.

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:19

Stomacharmeleon · 18/11/2023 00:15

@Toothyfruity I would hope you would be encouraging that the massacring of all Children is wrong not just children one side of the conflict. We still have hostages missing and lot of small children and babies. Hamas is still refusing to allow the Red Cross to check their welfare or anyone in fact.

Shouldn't peace be the objective not one sided bias.

I'm not biased I'm against genocide and murder of children no matter who they are.

Watching genocide in real time is hard. I think the least we can do is protest against it and I take my children on those marches because it's important that they are clued into the world around them. I'd hate for them to grow up and not understand that murdering thousands of people, including almost 5000 children is wrong.

The mothers on this forum (not this thread, but this forum) justifying Israel's genocide against Palestine is an eye opener in that regard.

Trulywonderful · 18/11/2023 00:19

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:12

The emotional blackmail merry-go-round is working over time.

Can't just have a conversation without it. That is why so many people have just blocked the conflict board. A lot of people don't want to debate or have a conversation, they want to just hear their own voice. If they don't feel they have scored enough of their imaginary points they go for emotional blackmail. This got odd quickly with most people. I mean we all can't take child deaths this is mumsnet after all. However we can also talk about things without mentioning deaths every other post we write.

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:22

Trulywonderful · 18/11/2023 00:19

Can't just have a conversation without it. That is why so many people have just blocked the conflict board. A lot of people don't want to debate or have a conversation, they want to just hear their own voice. If they don't feel they have scored enough of their imaginary points they go for emotional blackmail. This got odd quickly with most people. I mean we all can't take child deaths this is mumsnet after all. However we can also talk about things without mentioning deaths every other post we write.

Are you for real? The protests are against the genocide. Are we supposed to discuss the protests without mentioning the thousands of murders in case it makes those who support those carrying out the bombings feel a bit icky? Jesus.

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:23

It's really disconcerting to see parents being prepared to let their children protest in both a psychological and physically damaging environment. I guess it's all down to the selective reasoning. Hypocrites. Saddest thing is, the kids don't even know they are being programmed.

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:26

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:23

It's really disconcerting to see parents being prepared to let their children protest in both a psychological and physically damaging environment. I guess it's all down to the selective reasoning. Hypocrites. Saddest thing is, the kids don't even know they are being programmed.

Psychological and physical damage? Do you know what an anti war/genocide protest is?

I take my infant on these protests. You just walk down a road to show your solidarity. There's not much more to it. She napped through the last one.

Trulywonderful · 18/11/2023 00:28

I would also suggest we each take a shot every time the word genocide is mentioned. However we would be unconscious before we got past the first couple of pages with a lot threads. What is it with the word genocide and some people. We all get what is going on and are watching the news, have our own perspective and opinions of events. It is like they are trying to convince us or else just like saying the word.

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:30

Trulywonderful · 18/11/2023 00:28

I would also suggest we each take a shot every time the word genocide is mentioned. However we would be unconscious before we got past the first couple of pages with a lot threads. What is it with the word genocide and some people. We all get what is going on and are watching the news, have our own perspective and opinions of events. It is like they are trying to convince us or else just like saying the word.

Well, it is genocide so that's why people use the word.

Stomacharmeleon · 18/11/2023 00:30

@Trulywonderful I was just thinking the same.....

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:31

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:26

Psychological and physical damage? Do you know what an anti war/genocide protest is?

I take my infant on these protests. You just walk down a road to show your solidarity. There's not much more to it. She napped through the last one.

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You take your infant on the marches. We'll that's your perogative but this thread is about school children entering into a political arena. All it is is self righteous virtue signalling. My question would be to the schools allowing this: how does this align with their PREVENT training programmes, which staff have to undertake? This is radicalisation. The very thing that training seeks to address.

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:32

Trulywonderful · 18/11/2023 00:28

I would also suggest we each take a shot every time the word genocide is mentioned. However we would be unconscious before we got past the first couple of pages with a lot threads. What is it with the word genocide and some people. We all get what is going on and are watching the news, have our own perspective and opinions of events. It is like they are trying to convince us or else just like saying the word.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing; neither which is applicable from Israel's stance.

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:33

If you think that facilitating children to march against the murder of thousands of other children is radicalisation then I think you're the one with the issue here.

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:35

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:32

Genocide and ethnic cleansing; neither which is applicable from Israel's stance.

Well I'd hardly expect Israel to announce that they're carrying out ethnic cleansing and genocide. I don't know any previous case where the perpetrator has named it on those terms.

However by using my eyes and brain I can see that this is exactly what they're doing.

Trulywonderful · 18/11/2023 00:37

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:22

Are you for real? The protests are against the genocide. Are we supposed to discuss the protests without mentioning the thousands of murders in case it makes those who support those carrying out the bombings feel a bit icky? Jesus.

A lot of posters are not having a conversation or debate about it though. They are not posting informed argument. They are just saying the same thing multiple times in there own posters. That isn't a conversation. It is just a statement. In most cases people have given even trying to post on the conflict threads. People want to be able to talk without the same thing being repeated a dozen times on one page of the thread. It is like some posters think we all don't know the current situation in Gaza. That has meant a lot of posters won't hear what people that go to protests what them to hear on these threads. So a big own goal really and not great for those of us the stick around because we do want to have a conversation about this stuff

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:38

Toothyfruity · 18/11/2023 00:33

If you think that facilitating children to march against the murder of thousands of other children is radicalisation then I think you're the one with the issue here.

Of course it's radicalisation. You're only rebutting that because you side with Palestine. You do not involve children in politics. In Gaza, the children and other civilians have no choice. It's awful. Fortunately, we haven't got to a state yet where, during peace time, children are programmed to suit political bias.