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Conflict in the Middle East

School students marching in support of Palestine

373 replies

Sausagenbacon · 17/11/2023 09:35

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/palestine-march-tower-hamlets-east-london-israel-gaza-b1120876.html
Why are schools allowing/enabling students to do this?
Is it part of what schools should do, promoting frankly one-sided protest? And what will they decide to march about next? Just imagine being a Jewish student in the middle of this.
I find it sinister.

'Hundreds' of schoolchildren join pro-Palestine protest in Tower Hamlets

Thursday's march forms part of Friday's "National School Strike for Palestine" initiative

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/palestine-march-tower-hamlets-east-london-israel-gaza-b1120876.html

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Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 20:55

Kindatired · 17/11/2023 19:12

This is “what aboutism” a deflection tactic that is typical of Israeli public diplomacy, previously known as propaganda. At the moment the Israeli government is carrying out a genocide.Analysts say that they have the resources to wipe out the entire population of Gaza but it will take time and what will run out first is the support from the US and UK due to pressure of public opinion.
One child in Gaza is killed every 10 minutes according to Reuters.These kids are working to push the clock of public opinion forward.

It is a thread about children missing school to go on a march which adults are encouraging. Some people agree with this and some see it as a safeguarding issue or just bad parenting etc

People are talking about that. I see no whataboutism

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 21:09

So what has been happening here this evening. It seems like someone that I remember saying previously they don't live in Britain but somewhere much nicer, is arguing with Giraffe that they send their child willingly during school time on protests. Is that about the jist of it or have I missed something?

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 21:18

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 18:39

He bunks off school to do this?

And the government keep telling schools they need to improve attendance since covid.

Between this type of thinking and term time holidays (I get it they are cheaper). Schools have fat chance.

And that is before you factor in the children that are off school regularly still because lockdown made them more anxious or made their behaviour issues worse

(It is OK I am not starting the schools closed during lockdown debate again 😁)

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 21:26

Like I said, if Just Stop Oil started trying to recruit a youth wing of school strikers, the thread would go very differently.

ChickHenLittle · 17/11/2023 21:38

Toothyfruity · 17/11/2023 20:35

I think that children marching against a genocide that has killed thousands of children in 5 weeks is fantastic. Bunking off is reasonable in these circumstances.

I take my children on these marches because I am against apartheid and genocide. My first march was protesting the Iraq invasion as a teenager in 2003. Nothing sinister about being against war and oppression and genocide and using your democratic right to demonstrate that.

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I agree. Mine are far too young but I wouldn't force them to be overly compliant and not stand up for what is right and just.
I'd be extremely proud of them for protesting against the actions of the Israeli government.

quantumbutterfly · 17/11/2023 21:39

I guess if you want to programme people into taking sides you've got to start them young before their passion is tempered by perspective.

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 21:40

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 21:26

Like I said, if Just Stop Oil started trying to recruit a youth wing of school strikers, the thread would go very differently.

A youth wing. Not an expression that fills me with joy. We have seen that one before a few times.

You probably shouldn't give Just stop oil ideas. I don't want to know how they would use child protesters. Probably to slow march on a motorway or something equally as horrific

ChickHenLittle · 17/11/2023 21:41

quantumbutterfly · 17/11/2023 21:39

I guess if you want to programme people into taking sides you've got to start them young before their passion is tempered by perspective.

Programme? Okay dokey.

Toothyfruity · 17/11/2023 21:43

quantumbutterfly · 17/11/2023 21:39

I guess if you want to programme people into taking sides you've got to start them young before their passion is tempered by perspective.

Being politically active isn't programming.

And standing up against genocide isn't a bad thing.

Kindatired · 17/11/2023 22:31

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 20:55

It is a thread about children missing school to go on a march which adults are encouraging. Some people agree with this and some see it as a safeguarding issue or just bad parenting etc

People are talking about that. I see no whataboutism

Aplologies. The intention was to respond to a post that was also off topic in that it brought the recent Hamas atrocities into this debate. I haven’t mastered the quote button so please bear with me. .This thread is debating whether children should skip school to protest against the ongoing killing of other children in Gaza. It’s literally a matter of life and death because the tide of public opinion counts. The whole point of the Hamas attack was to provoke an overreaction which will radicalise future generations. It’s the injustice and scale of the innocent deaths that will radicalise young people, not the marching. We are bearing witness to a genocide by speaking out and marching. As has been attributed to Edmond Burke “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” . So yes, young people should march if they want to march.
You don’t need to be powerful or educated to know something is wrong when it’s wrong
Here is a link to the struggle against apartheid to illustrate the impact of one person standing up against injustice
https://www.thejournal.ie/30-years-dunnes-stores-strike-1579724-Jul2014/

This day 30 years ago the Dunnes Stores anti-apartheid strike began

The strike lasted almost three years and Nelson Mandela later told the small group of workers that their stand had helped him to keep going during his time in prison.

https://www.thejournal.ie/30-years-dunnes-stores-strike-1579724-Jul2014/

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 22:39

Merrymouse · 17/11/2023 19:19

The school has to authorise absences. A parent can no more authorise absence for a march than they can authorise absence for a holiday.

I'm not in the UK. We don't have things like that here where the school parents for you. Parents autherise absences not teachers.

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 22:43

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 21:09

So what has been happening here this evening. It seems like someone that I remember saying previously they don't live in Britain but somewhere much nicer, is arguing with Giraffe that they send their child willingly during school time on protests. Is that about the jist of it or have I missed something?

She was asking about children going to protests that parents don't approve of. I answered. She asked if he 'bunked off' to do it, I answered. Sorry if that offends you. No need to be so condescending.

Kindatired · 17/11/2023 22:57

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 22:43

She was asking about children going to protests that parents don't approve of. I answered. She asked if he 'bunked off' to do it, I answered. Sorry if that offends you. No need to be so condescending.

Maybe the poster lives in a democratic country where independent thinking skills and integrity are valued? Maybe she has a relationship of trust with her child.

BumWad · 17/11/2023 23:01

Maybe it’s because there is a genocide going on and most western world leaders are turning a blind eye to it?

I for one say bravo to these youngsters for standing up for what they believe in

Merrymouse · 17/11/2023 23:03

I'm not in the UK. We don't have things like that here where the school parents for you. Parents autherise absences not teachers.

Do you expect the teacher to spend time helping your child catch up on what they have missed?

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 23:20

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 22:43

She was asking about children going to protests that parents don't approve of. I answered. She asked if he 'bunked off' to do it, I answered. Sorry if that offends you. No need to be so condescending.

Why would that offend me? What was condescending about me asking if I was up to speed?

I have been working and was wondering what I missed and where the discussion had got too. As you can see from my post. Trust me if you offended me you would know. I don't exactly hold back if that happens. I am well known for it but that takes a special kind of poster that doesn't exist on most these threads.

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 23:22

Kindatired · 17/11/2023 22:31

Aplologies. The intention was to respond to a post that was also off topic in that it brought the recent Hamas atrocities into this debate. I haven’t mastered the quote button so please bear with me. .This thread is debating whether children should skip school to protest against the ongoing killing of other children in Gaza. It’s literally a matter of life and death because the tide of public opinion counts. The whole point of the Hamas attack was to provoke an overreaction which will radicalise future generations. It’s the injustice and scale of the innocent deaths that will radicalise young people, not the marching. We are bearing witness to a genocide by speaking out and marching. As has been attributed to Edmond Burke “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” . So yes, young people should march if they want to march.
You don’t need to be powerful or educated to know something is wrong when it’s wrong
Here is a link to the struggle against apartheid to illustrate the impact of one person standing up against injustice
https://www.thejournal.ie/30-years-dunnes-stores-strike-1579724-Jul2014/

No problem

inamarina · 17/11/2023 23:33

quantumbutterfly · 17/11/2023 21:39

I guess if you want to programme people into taking sides you've got to start them young before their passion is tempered by perspective.

Agree.

Carverbill · 17/11/2023 23:42

How convenenient anti Israelis saying this is a good thing. Oh please. How wonderfully selective. As for the poster saying her child was oh so wonderful in protesting with Cherie Blair in the war her husband started . You couldn't make it up!

If you advocate child politicisation, you need to get a bloody grip.

Carverbill · 17/11/2023 23:47

ChickHenLittle · 17/11/2023 21:38

I agree. Mine are far too young but I wouldn't force them to be overly compliant and not stand up for what is right and just.
I'd be extremely proud of them for protesting against the actions of the Israeli government.

So your children, who are too young to know what on earth is happening, would be steered by you in your own bias. Try reading back what you have written.

Toothyfruity · 17/11/2023 23:49

People getting their knickers in a twist about young people marching against genocide is so bizarre it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Carverbill · 17/11/2023 23:51

Toothyfruity · 17/11/2023 23:49

People getting their knickers in a twist about young people marching against genocide is so bizarre it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Parents encouraging school children to take their parent's side in a war. It would be funny it it wasn't so sad.

Coffeepants · 17/11/2023 23:56

Are you arguing that Israel is not a terrorist state? They are literally bombing innocent civilians to no end for over a month. It’s a genocide.

Toothyfruity · 17/11/2023 23:57

Carverbill · 17/11/2023 23:51

Parents encouraging school children to take their parent's side in a war. It would be funny it it wasn't so sad.

It's not a war. I've never seen a war where neonates are targeted before.

Parents teaching their children right from wrong is fairly standard in families with functioning moral compasses.

Murdering children and starving and bombing civilians in hospitals is wrong by the way, in case that needs saying.

Carverbill · 18/11/2023 00:01

Toothyfruity · 17/11/2023 23:57

It's not a war. I've never seen a war where neonates are targeted before.

Parents teaching their children right from wrong is fairly standard in families with functioning moral compasses.

Murdering children and starving and bombing civilians in hospitals is wrong by the way, in case that needs saying.

You don't need to state your last paragraph. It's been stated many many times on this board. We all see and read the news. That's got nothing to do with the indoctrination of children to suit your self righteousness. If this was a cause you didn't believe in, you'd be the first to shout it down.