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Conflict in the Middle East

Jeremy Corbyn on Piers Morgan

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firstpasttheposter · 15/11/2023 12:13

Just watched the trainwreck Jeremy Corbyn interview. I sometimes find it a bit annoying myself the way Piers talks over people when I want to hear what the guest has to say. However, surely Corbyn knows Piers' interview style? This is an experienced politician, and the question was very predictable. Had he not prepared an answer? Other guests manage the quick-fire style, still manage to get their point across and remain professional and confident - they don't just slump behind the table and sulk! Did he really think PM was going to say 'Oh, you're right! this interview style that's earned me millions is actually just bad journalism. I'll listen respectfully while you have your say and then you can ask me some questions'?

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Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 00:39

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 00:29

Talking about Russia I suddenly wondered what Corbyn’s opinion on the invasion of Ukraine was, because anti-imperialism dictates he would side with Russia. And I got top story: ‘Corbyn urges West to stop sending arms to Ukraine’.

I’d forgotten about NATO being blamed for Russia invading Ukraine too.

Yep he played a blinder with the Ukraine. Eventually he kind of said Russia wasn't being that nice. However it definitely pained him to make a negative about Russian. I can't remember exactly what he said but it ended up being his normal two sided type statement. That being because he can't just condemn something wrong one of his mates has done.

He is all involved in the stop the war lot too. Marching with them when their march for Ukraine/Russia has old Soviet Union flags carried by the stop the war people. I mean that lot are vile considering the name of their organisation.

EastofEden89 · 17/11/2023 00:50

JFC…Corbyn. What an absolute creature.

The debate is over about who he really is given all the irrefutable evidence (videos, photos, the articles he’s written incriminating himself) which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt his consistent and unrelenting bigotory towards the Jewish Community.

In 2012 when he was caught on camera referring to Raed Salah, a man jailed for ‘blood libel’ (racial incitement), as a "very honoured citizen" whose "voice must be heard".

When an antisemitic mural appeared on a wall in London, he 'liked' it and when he heard it was being removed in 2012, consoled the artist (Mear One) by telling him he was "in good company" (a reference to the Mexican artist Diego Rivera who had a painting censored because he depicted Lenin). In other words, he supported a racist piece of propaganda even though any GCSE student of Modern World History would have identified the antisemitic tropes in the painting within about five seconds.

When he spoke at a Palestine Solidarity Campaign meeting in 2008, he waited on stage for a speaker, Ismail Patel, to finish his speech. The speaker indulged in an attack on "Zionism" saying it made Jews "immoral in justice". Corbyn didn't leave the stage so as not be associated with this antisemitic rant. No, instead, as he passed Mr Patel, he patted his arm in a "Well done!" gesture (again, caught on camera).

In August 2012, Corbyn appeared on the Iran State sponsored TV Channel, Press TV. He was asked about a terrorist attack on the Egyptian border during Ramadan that had killed Egyptian troops. He replied "I see the hand of Israel." A British MP, peddling conspiracy theories on matters in the Middle East is beyond the pale.

On that fateful Tunisia trip in 2014 – where was was caught laying a wreath at the grave of a known Black September terrorist, to show that he wanted to 'honour both sides’ a visit to the El Ghriba synagogue would have been highly appropriate. He could have laid a wreath at the synagogue, which was bombed by Al Qaeda in 2002, killing 21 people. But he didn't.

Although Corbyn always tries to claim that he believes in peace and tries to bring opposing groups together in disputes, there is absolutely no evidence of this. He only seems to meet with groups he agrees with or likes. Shockingly he turned down an invitation to visit Yad Vashem!

He’s never done a single thing to heal the tragic conflict between Israel and Palestine. He’s never advocated for a two-state solution. He’s never opposed any specific Israeli policies he doesn’t agree with, he simply wants for Israel to not exist. He made this clear as far back as the mid 80s when he sponsored a group called the “Labour Movement Campaign for Palestine” who’s stated aim in their promotional materials was “to eradicate Zionism.”

So he essentially advocates that the Jewish nation, uniquely, does not have any right to sovereignty, that its national movement should be eradicated — that’s discrimination and incitement. To assert that the Jewish people has no right to sovereignty in the only place on earth where it has ever been sovereign, never wanted to leave and always sought to return; to demand, that is, not that Israel live peaceably alongside a Palestinian state, but that it be fully replaced by a Palestinian State - this is unconscionable. Years and years of support and activism for an organization that sought Israel’s demise — support and activism for which he has never apologized.

Is it any surprise we see him every weekend leading these disturbing and hateful rallies? He’s really no friend to Palestine at all.

HoldOnMiGenna · 17/11/2023 08:22

The fact that this man being leader of the Labour Party attracted so many young people to join always showed me that certain sentiments in this country held for centuries will never die.
Corbyn never hid his colours behind PR wizardry. He and his knew and know that his type will always have enough love in this country so as to not even try and pretend that they are not what they are.
Corbyn probably is the way he is because he is a dunce, but didn't have enough becoming charisma to go along with his privilege to parlay that into a "soft life" career.
So he chose to bum off of being a politician on a poor ward , concentrating on far flung issues to take attention away from his inadequacy. Then there is the issue with his hatred of women, especially the fact that White women of his class can find it easier to escape the control of an arsehole of aan like him. I'm always suss about Middle Class 'progressive" White men who hate the " stridency " of their same class White women. I've never met one in real life who doesn't expect me, a Black woman to find a potential enemy in every type of socially privileged White woman, but mysteriously expect me to not fear their privileged White male privilege.
These men hate all women and are on a divide and conquer tip. Corbyn and his TRA love showed us where his fellings about women lie....and how he treated Diane Abbott in the most racistly humiliating fashion , of which hardly a Black British "woke" journalist hasn't made mention.
And I am quite sure that his fetishising of all kinds of wicked " hard man" philosophies lie in some inner turmoil, too.
I mean , what the hell use is a Corbyn to Hezbollah and suchlike. I'm sure that they all laugh at him behind his back.

firstpasttheposter · 17/11/2023 08:28

firstpasttheposter · 16/11/2023 10:07

Yes, Corbyn shouts over the guests in every interview. When it's just an ordinary member of the public getting humiliated, it can be a bit cringe. These two should have been able to handle it, however. When he interviewed the democrat US candidate for the presidency, he really went for her over the trans issue, and she wasn't flustered at all, and kept smiling. If you can't handle these situations, you shouldn't go for leadership roles in public office.

Oops! I meant Piers shouts over all the guests. Corbyn doesn't shout. Rather like Gerry Adams, he comes across as a rather mild, bookish type, and you just can't believe the level of violence that he's trying to gaslight you into accepting as entirely justified.

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Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 09:07

And I am quite sure that his fetishising of all kinds of wicked " hard man" philosophies lie in some inner turmoil, too.

Yep fetish is a good word for how his obsession with these regimes and groups come across

I mean , what the hell use is a Corbyn to Hezbollah and suchlike. I'm sure that they all laugh at him behind his back.

Oh definitely they think he is their muppet and our laughing at him. That goes for most their very left western supporters too. Jez is just an amusing toy to help them cause divide and wind up Jewish people and others they don't like. I wonder if one day he will come to the realisation about this as others like Malcolm X did with his own experience of the Nation of Islam. Probably not I don't think Jez is anywhere near as intelligent as Malcolm X.

firstpasttheposter · 17/11/2023 09:17

LuluBlakey1 · 16/11/2023 23:38

Neither Boris Johnson nor Rishi Sunak ever answer the question they are asked in PMQ.

Yes, not impressed with them either! Boris still behaves like the leader of a sixth form debating society that thinks it's cool to turn up not having done any preparation and nor bothered to brush his hair. But this thread is about Corbyn.

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Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 10:23

I think to get elected in the first place politicians have to either be as straight shooting and squeaky clean as possible. Else good at avoiding questions and dodging their own past and present iffyness.

Unfortunately we have to many of the later at the moment. However most of them still don't shake hands with terrorists or make complimentary remarks about them. That is something that Jez holds the trophy for and I can't see him getting trumped on that any time soon.

Though George Galloway has always fancied a go at that trophy. He isn't an elected politian any more I believe.

NovemberName · 17/11/2023 10:42

Oh definitely they think he is their muppet and our laughing at him. That goes for most their very left western supporters too.

I think Jez' time is coming and we'll be seeing a lot more of him. Have you seen our younger members of society exulting about bin Laden's "Letter to America"?

Claiming that al-Qaeda had some valid points, and bin Laden was right.

I tried to find a thread on here as I'm shocked at what's going on. My views on the situation in the Middle East are neither here nor there, but the brainwashing of our kids to accept that terrorism is a good and righteous path is the beginning of a very dangerous time.

These are kids of every colour and nation too.

Look at how easy Begum was groomed.

Very scary times and we're sleep walking into it.

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 10:57

A thread has just started on a couple of schools having pro paletine protests. Adult shouting into a Megaphone during one then getting the kids to shout back political statements. Definitely radicalisation of our school children there. Real safeguarding issue if ever I saw one.

The letter thing is predictable but still horrific. These kids are getting taught that resistance means killing innocent people in the name of a cause and that is ok. No wonder they think flying airplanes into buildings isn't a bad thing.

Yes people have sleep walked into this and lots are still not waking up yet. They will but a lot of damage will be done first and some won't be fixable.

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 11:22

Claiming that al-Qaeda had some valid points, and bin Laden was right.

I read it just to double check and it was still the ramblings of a maniac who hates the Jews, blames them for everything and wants to impose Sharia law everywhere.

Who the bloody hell are these tiktokers saying that it’s causing them to re-evaluate their views? They’ve decided to become massive antisemites? They want Sharia law??

firstpasttheposter · 17/11/2023 11:23

NovemberName · 17/11/2023 10:42

Oh definitely they think he is their muppet and our laughing at him. That goes for most their very left western supporters too.

I think Jez' time is coming and we'll be seeing a lot more of him. Have you seen our younger members of society exulting about bin Laden's "Letter to America"?

Claiming that al-Qaeda had some valid points, and bin Laden was right.

I tried to find a thread on here as I'm shocked at what's going on. My views on the situation in the Middle East are neither here nor there, but the brainwashing of our kids to accept that terrorism is a good and righteous path is the beginning of a very dangerous time.

These are kids of every colour and nation too.

Look at how easy Begum was groomed.

Very scary times and we're sleep walking into it.

The Guardian removed the Bin Laden text of the letter from its website when it realised how it was being used. When even the Guardian has realised that's something is going very wrong ....

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firstpasttheposter · 17/11/2023 11:53

Flip, even Owen Jones managed to answer the question! 'Of course Hamas are a terrorist organisation! Of course I want rid of them! Just not in this way.' See - that wasn't difficult at all! Why couldn't Corbyn just have said that and got on with the interview!

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NovemberName · 17/11/2023 13:04

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 11:22

Claiming that al-Qaeda had some valid points, and bin Laden was right.

I read it just to double check and it was still the ramblings of a maniac who hates the Jews, blames them for everything and wants to impose Sharia law everywhere.

Who the bloody hell are these tiktokers saying that it’s causing them to re-evaluate their views? They’ve decided to become massive antisemites? They want Sharia law??

Not just TikTok, X, YouTube.

It's gone viral.

And all ethnicities.

It's a viral indoctrination of our kids.

Not going to end well.

Very scary times.

And it's no good The Guardian deleting its "watered down" translation. It's out there now.

And kids are lapping it up (obviously no mention of killing all Jews, westerners and having Sharia Law) It's terrifying.

Absolutely terrifying.

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 13:53

firstpasttheposter · 17/11/2023 11:53

Flip, even Owen Jones managed to answer the question! 'Of course Hamas are a terrorist organisation! Of course I want rid of them! Just not in this way.' See - that wasn't difficult at all! Why couldn't Corbyn just have said that and got on with the interview!

Because he knows some of them personally

His friends wouldn't be happy if be broke the freedom fighter/resistance narrative they have been peddling

CatOnTheCludgy · 17/11/2023 17:56

noblegiraffe · 16/11/2023 23:58

It's being on the hard left. They will automatically take the anti-imperialist anti-west side.

Russia, the IRA, Syria, Iran, Hamas.... you'll find some story about Jeremy with all of them.

I remember it turned out MI5 had a file on him. And the hooha it brought on. But I did think that was quite serious. They don't just investigate any person, they will have a reason.

LuluBlakey1 · 17/11/2023 20:06

firstpasttheposter · 17/11/2023 09:17

Yes, not impressed with them either! Boris still behaves like the leader of a sixth form debating society that thinks it's cool to turn up not having done any preparation and nor bothered to brush his hair. But this thread is about Corbyn.

You used the phrase, 'that side of the house' which implied anyone who wasn't a Tory. Just pointing out Tories are, on the whole, the most disgraceful politicians. This government have caused damage that will take a generation to repair. They lie, cheat, fill their own and their 'pals' pockets with hundreds of millions of public monies, have destroyed the NHS, the environment, caused untold damage to education, social care, our seas and rivers, animal welfare, housing, social justice - anything they are responsible for actually. They've given us the 5 worst PMs in anyone's living memory, one after another, all of whom have been utterly weak, pathetic, unable to see the mess they have created through and repair the damage.... but you think Corbyn is most worthy of your focus and criticism?

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 21:03

LuluBlakey1 · 17/11/2023 20:06

You used the phrase, 'that side of the house' which implied anyone who wasn't a Tory. Just pointing out Tories are, on the whole, the most disgraceful politicians. This government have caused damage that will take a generation to repair. They lie, cheat, fill their own and their 'pals' pockets with hundreds of millions of public monies, have destroyed the NHS, the environment, caused untold damage to education, social care, our seas and rivers, animal welfare, housing, social justice - anything they are responsible for actually. They've given us the 5 worst PMs in anyone's living memory, one after another, all of whom have been utterly weak, pathetic, unable to see the mess they have created through and repair the damage.... but you think Corbyn is most worthy of your focus and criticism?

Because the thread isn't about how we have ended up with terrible leaders or politicians. It is why one politician seems to have a fetish about terrorists and regimes with human rights violations like torture and forced dress codes. He likes regimes that have the death penalty or are now to make their opposition disappear in pretty dodgy circumstances. I think all that deserves its own thread and a conversation. Especially with his involvement in the current climate as he has chosen yet again to get right in there with his speeches etc

LuluBlakey1 · 17/11/2023 21:14

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 21:03

Because the thread isn't about how we have ended up with terrible leaders or politicians. It is why one politician seems to have a fetish about terrorists and regimes with human rights violations like torture and forced dress codes. He likes regimes that have the death penalty or are now to make their opposition disappear in pretty dodgy circumstances. I think all that deserves its own thread and a conversation. Especially with his involvement in the current climate as he has chosen yet again to get right in there with his speeches etc

There are a number of politicians (on all sides of the HOC and HOL) that support fascist, controlling regimes , who are guilty of torture within their countries, and MPs regularly accept monies from them, promote them, help extend their influence in the UK and visit them, making relationships with their hierarchies.

Corbyn is a pinata to distract attention from the goings on in the government. The only power he has is because his constituents vote for him . He is no longer a member of the Labour Party, sits as an Independent and intends to stand as an Independent in the next election. He's pretty pointless really, as are his old sidekicks.

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 21:18

I'm sure there's room for threads on those people too.

Corbyn nearly destroyed the Labour Party and they're still picking up the pieces.

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 21:25

LuluBlakey1 · 17/11/2023 21:14

There are a number of politicians (on all sides of the HOC and HOL) that support fascist, controlling regimes , who are guilty of torture within their countries, and MPs regularly accept monies from them, promote them, help extend their influence in the UK and visit them, making relationships with their hierarchies.

Corbyn is a pinata to distract attention from the goings on in the government. The only power he has is because his constituents vote for him . He is no longer a member of the Labour Party, sits as an Independent and intends to stand as an Independent in the next election. He's pretty pointless really, as are his old sidekicks.

If he is a pinata can I get the stick first please

He has got stuck in giving speeches at marches again. That is why he is related again to me anyway. Trust me I would rather forget the fuckwit is on the planet. However he won't let us do that apparently. I have no idea why if people what the protester to be taken seriously as about peace they would let him speak. I mean if they want people to stop saying they are hate marches get your act together on this stuff. It isn't rocket science to work out he is associated with antisemitisc fuckwits so probably not the best idea to let him do speeches.

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 21:35

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 21:18

I'm sure there's room for threads on those people too.

Corbyn nearly destroyed the Labour Party and they're still picking up the pieces.

Nearly

I think after he got his just desserts his fan club pretty much finished the party. They destroyed it by continuing a campaign against the Jewish community for all the country to see on social media. Even now people are very curious his people could come back if Labour won. Not just Jews but most people I know don't trust that Starmer can keep hold of leadship. People fear who would take over if Labour were elected.

I normally vote Labour but that has been difficult for years. My husband now votes Green

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 21:37

I literally just watched an interview with Starmer about Corbyn still refusing to call Hamas terrorists, he's also asked about Andy McDonald being suspended for 'from the river to the sea'.

He's pretty clear that he is determined for people to see that the party has changed https://x.com/thenewsagents/status/1725588472973422945?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

A good answer, I thought.

https://x.com/thenewsagents/status/1725588472973422945?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

firstpasttheposter · 17/11/2023 21:37

LuluBlakey1 · 17/11/2023 20:06

You used the phrase, 'that side of the house' which implied anyone who wasn't a Tory. Just pointing out Tories are, on the whole, the most disgraceful politicians. This government have caused damage that will take a generation to repair. They lie, cheat, fill their own and their 'pals' pockets with hundreds of millions of public monies, have destroyed the NHS, the environment, caused untold damage to education, social care, our seas and rivers, animal welfare, housing, social justice - anything they are responsible for actually. They've given us the 5 worst PMs in anyone's living memory, one after another, all of whom have been utterly weak, pathetic, unable to see the mess they have created through and repair the damage.... but you think Corbyn is most worthy of your focus and criticism?

I said 'that side of the house' tends to sulk - not that the other side were great, impressive leaders! This thread is about Corbyn's interview with Piers. Do you have an opinion on that?

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Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 21:43

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 21:37

I literally just watched an interview with Starmer about Corbyn still refusing to call Hamas terrorists, he's also asked about Andy McDonald being suspended for 'from the river to the sea'.

He's pretty clear that he is determined for people to see that the party has changed https://x.com/thenewsagents/status/1725588472973422945?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

A good answer, I thought.

The link isn't working for me

firstpasttheposter · 17/11/2023 21:48

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 13:53

Because he knows some of them personally

His friends wouldn't be happy if be broke the freedom fighter/resistance narrative they have been peddling

I see his friends in Sinn Fein are now pedalling this nonsense in the Dail. 'Palestine has a right to defend itself'. Unfortunately for the poor Irish, Sinn Fein actually take up their seats in the Dail. However, describing rape of women and beheading babies as 'self-defence' is a new low, even for Sinn Fein.

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