Jeremy Corbyn on Piers Morgan

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Just watched the trainwreck Jeremy Corbyn interview. I sometimes find it a bit annoying myself the way Piers talks over people when I want to hear what the guest has to say. However, surely Corbyn knows Piers' interview style? This is an experienced politician, and the question was very predictable. Had he not prepared an answer? Other guests manage the quick-fire style, still manage to get their point across and remain professional and confident - they don't just slump behind the table and sulk! Did he really think PM was going to say 'Oh, you're right! this interview style that's earned me millions is actually just bad journalism. I'll listen respectfully while you have your say and then you can ask me some questions'?

To clarify I believe he an enabler and friend to antisemitic fuckwits. Which does make him as bad and probably a Jew hater.

I don't tend to call people antisemitic unless I have hard evidence and Cobyn lets those around him do the dirty work. So despite all signs saying he is antisemitic he hasn't provided enough evidence for me to use that word about him. Personally I don't think it matters with his backlog of dodgy goings on and those he has called friends. He is a gross fuckwit either way.

Now that is factual

Isn't there only 67 million people in this country???

I believe when he first got axed there would have been several thousand that still loved him. However since the antisemitism Labour report and him refusing to apologise about it happening under his watch. Plus his fan club slagging off votes and attacking Jews on social media. Then him not telling them to stop or that they were not acting under his name, most his then voters have recoiled away from his toxicity.

Anyway, antisemite, antischmeemite, as long as he loves his mother.

Ah, mother of Jez and Piers, the grande dame of Cable Street. At some point you've really got to wonder on what side.

etmoiandme · Today 01:08

tens of millions

That's quite the fabrication.

Yep, sorry, meant to say "over ten million"

Though on the other hand, I spoke to a number of Tories who would never dream of supporting him and a goodish number of them thought that he wasn't antisemitic. So it might have been two tens of millions...... though we really are into speculation now,. I'll just settle with my over 10 million. That's still quite a lot.

Righto, well maybe you could listen to what most Jews are saying instead of Tories then. Unless you think Tories are more able to define antisemitism than us.

Sure if you ask white supermists they wouldn't think Jez was in the wrong

Or

Islamic exstemists

Or

Neo Nazis

Or

Hamas supporters

However just because people agree with Cobyn views about Jewish things it doesn't make them right.

Similarly, just because some Tory don't understand antisemitism doesn't mean there isn't any

Whilst Jews should certainly have a crucial role in identifying what is and isn't antisemitism, it cannot be left exclusively to them to define it. Were it to be so, you could end up with anyone who described Israeli Avocados as being tasteless, underipe and overpriced being accused of making a direct attack on Israel and thus being antisemitic.

Please go tell other minority groups the same. Do it in person.

Don't be ridiculous these things are defined and made legally robust with the help of lawyers and a lot of debate with those it involves

quiteoldad Really showing your hand now aren't you.

You should have a look at the school kids protest thread. Just had a right nutty on their. First they said something islamophobic and then they told me I had to pick a side, Jews or Muslims. I reported it but yuck. Definitely some iffy people about tonight.

Being called an antisemite is similar to being called TERF these days, totally meaningless and shouted to shut down any conversation - it's tiresome.

Corbyn is nothing more than a professional protester who has spent decades in parliament achieving absolutely nothing. I'm glad he was thrown out of the Labour party - he doesn't belong in a mainstream social democratic party, or even in decent society.

And yet 4 years later his name is still a constant on these boards 🤷🏻‍♀️

JC seems to be the only politician that understands you don't get rid of terrorism with missiles, it's a short-term solution. All Israel is doing today is recruiting for terrorist groups of the future. If I watched my family be blown to smithereens I would probably grow up with some anger towards those that fired the missiles (and those that supported them!)

Does anyone think Israel/Gaza is going to be a safer place in 10/20 years time? Of course it won't be!

etmoiandme
quiteoldad Really showing your hand now aren't you.

Are you inferring that my comment,

"Were it to be so, you could end up with anyone who described Israeli Avocados as being tasteless, underipe and overpriced, being accused of making a direct attack on Israel and thus being antisemitic."

was written by an antisemite?

I was merely giving it as an example. I actually have no opinion about Israeli Avocados, except for the fact that I wouldn't buy one. That is nothing to do with the flavour, texture, ripeness or price of their Avocados, but it is because I don't feel that I want to fund Israel because of the way that they have treated and continue to treat the Palestinians. I appreciate that Israel is in a difficult position, surrounded as it is by neighbours that loath them ( I've been in a similar position myself) however they have brought a lot of it upon themselves.

lemmein wrote
Being called an antisemite is similar to being called TERF

I thought TERF was something you laid. I've just looked it up, apparently it's the last thing you'd do.
You live and learn.

He is apart from George Galloway one of the only politicians that doesn't want to get rid of terrorism. He cannot even say the word apparently. The man loves terrorism and terrorists he has literally and proudly told us that in all but name.

He invited Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn, both convicted of activity connected to the Irish Republican Army, to Parliament just two weeks after the IRA had killed five people and almost assassinated the British prime minister in the 1984 Brighton bombing.

He attended a 2012 conference in Qatar featuring Palestinian militants recently released by Israel in exchange for a captured soldier. Two of those speakers were Abdul Aziz Umar, convicted in Israel for his role in a 2003 suicide bombing in Jerusalem that killed seven people, and Husam Badran, a former head of Hamas’s military operations who had planned suicide bombings that killed more than 100 people. Corbyn found their contributions “fascinating and electrifying.”

Corbyn is friendly with certain Islamist outfits because he thinks their anger is an understandable response to Western foreign policy. Yet he also supports conspiracy theorists who claim that it is not Islamist extremists behind terrorist attacks at all; in fact, it is the Jews.

For example, when the conspiratorial-minded British vicar Stephen Sizer was banned from social media for posting that Israel and Jewish conspirators were behind 9/11, Corbyn leapt to his defense. Corbyn claimed that Sizer was only being called out because he “dared to speak out against Zionism.”

Another person who believes that Jews were behind 9/11 is the Palestinian cleric and Hamas fundraiser Raed Salah. In 2011, the U.K. government attempted to deport Salah, who was visiting from Israel. Corbyn was quick to support Salah, calling him an “honored citizen” who “represents his people extremely well” and inviting him to tea in Parliament. (Salah’s Jewish conspiracy theorizing does not end with 9/11; he has also repeated the blood libel that Jews used Christian children’s blood in religious ceremonies.)

Nasty comment there

Am I supposed? No

I read your post the first time @Trulywonderful - repeating it doesn't make it true!

The man loves terrorism and terrorists he has literally and proudly told us that in all but name.

Absolute nonsense - ridiculous statement 🙄

A big part of being an effective politician is opening a dialogue and creating relationships with those whose actions you may find abhorrent (heard of the Good Friday Agreement?) That doesn't make him a 'terrorist sympathiser' - or that he 'loves terrorism' (seriously!), it makes him a grown up who realises missiles do fuck all to achieve peace!

Israel is not blameless; some seem totally unable to acknowledge this fact and seem to think (or prefer to believe) the war in Gaza started on the 7th October. I've never heard JC say anything derogatory about jewish people, I've heard him be critical of Israel, why do people conflate the two? If you criticise the Chinese government does that mean you hate Chinese people?

Piers Morgan's insistence that he calls Hamas a terrorist organisation else he's a sympathiser is typical of the media we have in this country just looking for the 'gotchas' for the hard of thinking to feed on. It's not as simple as 'goodies' and 'baddies'; I'm glad JC, and others like him, acknowledge that and refuse to play the game.

I repeated those facts because they are true. Things that happened and he said in interviews etc. All available if you search online. Every thing I have posted as evidence of his behaviour comes from hard evidence. You can choose to ignore the evidence presented but it doesn't mean these things didn't happen. There is way more evidence than that of his bad and fetish behaviour too. Read the whole thread though because most people with any moral compass separated themselves from him a long time ago. You can't excuse the his unexcuesable statements and conduct if you have any integrity. It really is that simple. He cocked up his own political career and the Labour Party nobody else made him do or say any of this stuff.

@Trulywonderful like I said,

A big part of being an effective politician is opening a dialogue and creating relationships with those whose actions you may find abhorrent (heard of the Good Friday Agreement?) That doesn't make him a 'terrorist sympathiser' - or that he 'loves terrorism' (seriously!), it makes him a grown up who realises missiles do fuck all to achieve peace.

The Good Friday Agreement came about because the Republicans realised that their political wing was more successful than its terrorist wing. The loyalists also realised that power sharing was it's only hope of staying in the Union. Until this point was reached there was no hope of 'opening dialogue'.

He is apart from George Galloway one of the only politicians that doesn't want to get rid of terrorism. He cannot even say the word apparently. The man loves terrorism and terrorists he has literally and proudly told us that in all but name.

Corbyn is friendly with certain Islamist outfits because he thinks their anger is an understandable response to Western foreign policy. Yet he also supports conspiracy theorists who claim that it is not Islamist extremists behind terrorist attacks at all; in fact, it is the Jews.

Yup @Trulywonderful it's a simplistic worldview and the crux of their brand, they'd be nothing without it.

A big part of being an effective politician is opening a dialogue and creating relationships with those whose actions you may find abhorrent

Corbyn was shit at that, wasn't he? Sure he hung out with terrorists and played nice with them, but he entirely alienated other large swathes of the population.

Another part of being an effective politician is winning elections. Would we have had Boris fucking Johnson and his massive majority if Corbyn hadn't been such a problematic leader for Labour? I couldn't vote Labour in 2019 because of the blatant antisemitism and the fact that he appeared to be trolling the Jewish community rather than dealing with it at all, and I don't think I was the only one.

The 2019 election was about Brexit. Red wall voters didn't suddenly turn blue because they gave a shit about antisemitism.

It is very true that Jeremy Corbyn also failed to connect with voters over Brexit.

He was not an effective politician.