Jeremy Corbyn on Piers Morgan

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Just watched the trainwreck Jeremy Corbyn interview. I sometimes find it a bit annoying myself the way Piers talks over people when I want to hear what the guest has to say. However, surely Corbyn knows Piers' interview style? This is an experienced politician, and the question was very predictable. Had he not prepared an answer? Other guests manage the quick-fire style, still manage to get their point across and remain professional and confident - they don't just slump behind the table and sulk! Did he really think PM was going to say 'Oh, you're right! this interview style that's earned me millions is actually just bad journalism. I'll listen respectfully while you have your say and then you can ask me some questions'?

I don't know enough about Irish politics to feel comfortable commenting on them.

However of course I remember/know Sin Fein. This doesn't surprise me. They blow up a car right outside where my grandmother used to work in London.

She was a social worker and all the windows of her office were blown in. Luckily she wasn't there at the time because her desk was covered in large sharp bits of glass. She retired shortly after that because it really freaked her out and she didn't want to go back to that office once the damage was repaired.

Utterly bizarre, no idea why they would delete a link to their own interview. There's another clip of a different part of the interview still up on their feed so can't be an issue with the programme.

I did see this lovely comment on it so maybe they're trying to avoid that?

So sorry about your grandma. We tend to look at the statistics of people murdered, and forget the ripple effect of survivors and families traumatised mentally and/or physically.

Noblegiraffe wrote

Corbyn nearly destroyed the Labour Party and they're still picking up the pieces.

I’m not quite sure he almost destroyed the Labour party, but he certainly shook it up and some might even go so far as to say that he turned it into a party that offered a meaningful alternative to the Conservatives.
Whilst there are certainly people who disagreed with Corbyn's politics, there were hundreds of thousands who went so far as to join the Labour party just because of him. Membership shot up from about 200,000 in 2014 to just under 600,000 by 2019. Not since the late 70s had Labour so many paid up members. So, were all those people deluded?

Some people also claim he is antisemitic.

Were those people that joined the party and those millions of others that voted Labour during his tenure also antisemites? They certainly must have had a view on that topic, it was the major talking point during his period in office. Perhaps those 10.25 million (12.9 million in 2017) who voted for him were just people who felt that the claims of antisemitism had been exaggerated simply to discredit him. Alternatively, they believed him to be antisemitic, but thought that his policies trumped his dislike of Jewish people.
So either he is an antisemite and in 2019, 10,250,000 people didn’t mind that he was, or he isn’t.
Any other possibilities?

Corbyn is probably the only person who would speak to both sides just now and actually get people talking, instead of furthering division as Biden and Sunak have done. He isn't antisemitic, same as millions of people worldwide appalled at genocide happening in gaza right now and speaking about it, aren't antisemitic.

So either he is an antisemite and in 2019, 10,250,000 people didn’t mind that he was, or he isn’t.

The former. And they either didn't mind, or didn't understand.

Yes, you keep telling yourself that

People even close to Cobyn didn't realise what he really was for a long time. Most thought the various allegations over his career were made up or exaggerated. He had many polices I vote for and that was what attracted many people. Though yes I imagine a small percentage was attracted to him because they thought the allegations were true.

People that were close to Cobyn during his time as leader have since come out and said they were fooled by him. The general public eventually realised what he is too. People say it was the JEWS that lost Cobyn the election and got him the axe. However it was his own friendships and behaviour. Also his very antisemitic fan club that don't hide their antisemitism. He didn't call them out on the stuff they were posting about Jews. He didn't publicly tell them to stop and disassociate himself from them. If he had done this he could possibly have won the election or not got the axe. Some people still have reservations calling Cobyn antisemitic. I don't tend to do this either because in his case it is guilt by association. Therefore who knows he may not be antisemitic at all. However his friends and fan club are. He has a fetish about some really dodgy regimes. So that doesn't make him a nice person or a good leader of the Labour Party.

Yes, you keep telling yourself that

(I was wondering when you would turn up. Could guess your politics a mile off, very very far left. In fact so left you are shaking handswiththe farrightaroundthe back of the sofa)

extraordinary….

It’s no secret that the former Labour leader has long supported the end of British rule in Ulster, and that he met the leaders of Sinn Fein and other Republicans in the 1980s and 1990s, when the Provisional IRA was still bombing and shooting people.

He invited Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn, both convicted of activity connected to the Irish Republican Army, to Parliament just two weeks after the IRA had killed five people and almost assassinated the British prime minister in the 1984 Brighton bombing.

It's always young people who cheerlead for the scariest totalitarian regimes. Year Zero, the Cultural Revolution, the SS, and so on, all fuelled by youthful zeal and a romanticisation of death and violence. What's noticeable in the TikTok age is the prevalence of repetitive slogans and thought-terminating clichés. It's like they've been infected by a mind virus.

Jeremy Corbyn reminds me of someone whose intelligence was never up to the relative privilege he was born into and who is mentally stuck at that Che Guevara poster stage. He always resorts to angry shouting and insults when challenged and I think that's because he is living in some kind of morality version of the sunken costs fallacy where he has to go on chucking his human decency on the world's worst tyrants because stopping would involve some really ugly and painful self-acknowledgement.

You never call me extraordinary I am jealous

Evif you are only doing it out of what the fuckwit......

Discussing the attacks in Washington and New York less than a month after 9/11, Corbyn told Parliament that “what goes around comes around ".

He attended a 2012 conference in Qatar featuring Palestinian militants recently released by Israel in exchange for a captured soldier.

Two of those speakers were Abdul Aziz Umar, convicted in Israel for his role in a 2003 suicide bombing in Jerusalem that killed seven people, and Husam Badran, a former head of Hamas’s military operations who had planned suicide bombings that killed more than 100 people. Corbyn found their contributions “fascinating and electrifying.”

Corbyn praised Interpal at a February 2013 conference and encouraged more donations to be made as they had “done such great practical work.” Corbyn calls the chair of Interpal, Ibrahim Hewitt, a “very good friend.” It’s a rather odd friendship for a progressive, as Hewitt has previously ranted about the evils of homosexuality and called for adulterers to be stoned to death.

I think he's best ignored. You are doing exactly what Morgan, the Daily Mail, GB News and the Tories want you to do - beating the Corbyn pinata whilst Braverman, Sunak, Hunt, Cameron etc continue with their destructive, immoral, incompetent, hate-raking governing of this country. While they destroy the NHS, whip up the Nationalists, the racists, the misogynists, the anti-semites and get them out on our streets, grind our industry into the ground, destroy our economy and fill their pockets with our money then chuck more hundreds of millions at Rwanda on their refugee project, you just keep on distracting people by moaning about a man who is way past his time, an irrelevance who has no power.
Start on Martin McGuinness next- you might as well dig up all of his past sins. He's as relevant as Corbyn and has been dead years.

Corbyn is friendly with certain Islamist outfits because he thinks their anger is an understandable response to Western foreign policy. Yet he also supports conspiracy theorists who claim that it is not Islamist extremists behind terrorist attacks at all; in fact, it is the Jews.

For example, when the conspiratorial-minded British vicar Stephen Sizer was banned from social media for posting that Israel and Jewish conspirators were behind 9/11, Corbyn leapt to his defense. Corbyn claimed that Sizer was only being called out because he “dared to speak out against Zionism.”

Oh look I have just made Jez relevant to the current events again. Silly old me😏

Er, I have no idea whether you slept through the Corbyn leadership or not but he and his flunkies led the main party of opposition down a blind alley that ended in Labour’s worst election performance since the 1930s - a performance that broke new records for failure. Look upon the scale of that calamity: to lose seats to a government in power for nine lean years, a government seeking a fourth term that is almost never granted, a cruel government so divided it purged two former chancellors and some of its best-known MPs, led by a documented liar and fraud. A half-functioning opposition party would have wiped the floor with this Tory party. Instead, Labour was crushed by it.

Party membership numbers are utterly irrelevant, it’s the ordinary Joe you’ve got to get on side, and his utterly baffling and confusing take on Brexit and the fact he made a mainstream social democratic party a very comfortable place for holocaust deniers, holocaust minimisers and Trotskyists put decent people off. He only attracted the Tarquins and the Jemimas of the UK, who then the morning of Labour’s worst election defeat since the 1930s sneered that the working classes had “voted against their own interests”. Hearts and minds….yeah right.

Underneath all this is a larger question: is Corbyn in politics to control the Labour party, or to win power? The honest answer is clearly the former. So he and his supporters should do the decent thing and get out of the way. They need to go back to their student unions and their pub meetings and give Labour back to those who seek the power of government – and are fit to wield it.

Another person who believes that Jews were behind 9/11 is the Palestinian cleric and Hamas fundraiser Raed Salah. In 2011, the U.K. government attempted to deport Salah, who was visiting from Israel. Corbyn was quick to support Salah, calling him an “honored citizen” who “represents his people extremely well” and inviting him to tea in Parliament. (Salah’s Jewish conspiracy theorizing does not end with 9/11; he has also repeated the blood libel that Jews used Christian children’s blood in religious ceremonies.)

The 9/11 thing also is relevant to what Elon Musk has recently decided to tell the world he thinks is true. So all relevant to this weeks world news. Hope that keeps everyone happy etc

I'm sure that serial underachiever Jeremy Corbyn, who isn't clever, isn't insightful and is someone who has undergone virtually no political or ideological development, most likely expected his career to remain forever on the fringes. From there he could say more or less what he wanted and flirt with all kinds of Big Men (IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah, PLO), being a stooge or useful idiot and getting to feel a bit important. Unfortunately, for those us that really needed an effective opposition to the Tories, he didn't stay there. Corbyn is nothing more than a professional protester who has spent decades in parliament achieving absolutely nothing. I'm glad he was thrown out of the Labour party - he doesn't belong in a mainstream social democratic party, or even in decent society.

As I mentioned upthread, he showed his hand as far back as the 1980s when he sponsored an organisation (Labour Movement Campaign for Palestine) that called ‘to eradicate Zionism’ (in other words, the total destruction of the world's only Jewish state); he’s likened Israeli policy to the Nazis’; under his leadership the party couldn't accept the world definition of antisemitism because he breaches it. Israel is the embodiment of the Jewish spirit. He wants to destroy Israel. 100% he is an antisemite.

sneered that the working classes had “voted against their own interests”

Oh yes that is such a delightful way to view the general public

You forgot to mention returning to the allotment. No offence to allotment owners but Jez and some of the others definitely look like they should just stay on the allotment.

EastofEden89 wrote
"Labour’s worst election performance since the 1930s - a performance that broke new records for failure."

In 2019 with his 10.25 million, he got more votes than Milliband in 2015 ( 9.3 million) more votes than Brown 2010 (8.6 million) more than Blair 2005, (9.5 million) and only a few less than than Blair 2001 (10.7 million) . Yes, labour did lose seats all over the place, but that's a function of our first past the post system, but in terms of people believing his way to be right, well the figures speak for themselves.

Oh yes, and in 2017 the labour party polled 12.9 million under him....... and that was why the mud really had to start being thrown.

You can carry on believing that he is 100% antisemitic, if you wish, but there are tens of millions in this country who would disagree. Even the trulywonderful, trulywonderful, one of his fiercest critics is unsure as to whether or not he is.

Anyway, antisemite, antischmeemite, as long as he loves his mother.

You can carry on believing that he is 100% antisemitic, if you wish, but there are tens of millions in this country who would disagree.

If anyone should have learned anything from the last few weeks it's that a lot of people don't know what antisemitism looks like.

Or aren't bothered.

tens of millions

That's quite the fabrication.