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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel has bombed the front of a hospital / 2

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Readingallnight · 15/11/2023 01:13

Discussion re Israel’s bombing of hospitals, infrastructure and residential buildings

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beachcitygirl · 16/11/2023 02:47

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feralunderclass · 16/11/2023 07:16

On the news: another night of IDF storming the hospital. Walls and partitions have been bulldozed and medical equipment destroyed. Approx 200 men sheltering have been taken away to an unknown location. Interrogation of others continues.

MissyB1 · 16/11/2023 07:29

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Absolutely this!!

FOJN · 16/11/2023 08:15

In their own words: Gaza doctor
Haytham Kallab is a general practitioner at Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Younis. He told Al Jazeera he’s witnessed horrific injuries that are hard to comprehend:

“The war on Gaza is completely different than any previous wars, because of the huge numbers of casualties we receive in Nasser hospital.

“The nature of the cases that arrive at the hospital is terrifying. The type of burns that we receive are not like previous wars and neither is the number of casualties. The majority of the cases that I receive are children and women. Most of the people who come for treatment are civilians.

“Hitting and targeting hospitals is not ethical at all. Imagine the pressure we’re under because we might be attacked at any moment while doing our jobs – especially a humanitarian job.

“An ambulance was hit inside Nasser hospital while I was working. It was a horrifying scene, especially seeing my colleagues who were helping and moving patients, then becoming injured themselves. People who work in emergency departments – especially during wars and specifically in Gaza – see things that no human could ever comprehend.

“Maybe the hardest case me for was a mother holding her child. The child was dead. She was holding her baby while her legs were broken. She had multiple injuries and had to be resuscitated. I didn’t know whether to take her child away from her. I decided to allow her to keep holding her son. This affected me so I followed up. Then I heard her say she wished she had died rather than had her legs amputated.”

This is an interview with a doctor who works in Khan Younis, it's a hard read. I was struck by how different he says the type of injuries are in this conflict and reminded of a book called The Palestinian Laboratory, I haven't read it but I saw a discussion about it somewhere on line. I found this video explaining the same thing. The channel is Turkish, the author of the book I mentioned, Anthony Loewenstein is Australian and Jewish.

How Israel uses Palestine as its weapons laboratory

Israel has been using the occupied Palestinian territories as a testing ground for weaponry and surveillance technology. A global leader in spying technology...

https://youtu.be/ixBfhk0BipA?si=P-z3wD42_UlpPqca

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 16/11/2023 08:23

Not related to the original OP

But this just popped up on my feed and I had to do a heavy eye roll

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzsOIIvO6yh/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzsOIIvO6yh?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

Efacsen · 16/11/2023 08:45

Yesterday I posted about the forthcoming total telecom blackout implying that the IDF were directly involved in some way

Further information from the internet and mobile network providers reveals that it is due to lack of fuel/electricity - so not directly involved

As the fuel blockade is ongoing it would suggest that the blackout will be permanent with all that that implies for news getting out of Gaza and for the isolation of people living there

Just more awful stuff

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 08:52

@Fairtobefairohhhhhc somebody got the sack after that first video I'm assuming

FOJN · 16/11/2023 08:53

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 16/11/2023 08:23

Not related to the original OP

But this just popped up on my feed and I had to do a heavy eye roll

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzsOIIvO6yh/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Another internet sleuth claimed to have identified the laptop model and said that model doesn't have a disc drive.

I have no idea if that's true but I haven't owned a laptop with a disc drive for at least 10 years.

Efacsen · 16/11/2023 09:05

It was nice to see IDF soldiers delivering new incubators, baby milk and some medical supplies to the hospital - a gift from Israel with prominent labels written in English [not international humanitarian aid being held hostage in Egypt]

I'm really pleased that the prem babies will benefit but it doesn't help the other 550 patients, staff and any remaining displaced people who have no electricity and no water - but then again that's there own fault for not 'evacuating' 2 weeks ago

PurpleCrocs3 · 16/11/2023 09:07

@Efacsen The babies don't need incubators. They have incubators, just not fuel to run them.

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/11/2023 09:09

Efacsen · Today 09:05
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It was nice to see IDF soldiers delivering new incubators, baby milk and some medical supplies to the hospital - a gift from Israel with prominent labels written in English [not international humanitarian aid being held hostage in Egypt

Oh FGS. Propaganda, with hastily printed labels in English for all the world to read. A few boxes of saline and drips and incubators, which the hospital already has but can’t use because they have no power. It has been cut off by Israel.

Why do people fall for this obvious crap?

EasterIssland · 16/11/2023 09:10

Efacsen · 16/11/2023 09:05

It was nice to see IDF soldiers delivering new incubators, baby milk and some medical supplies to the hospital - a gift from Israel with prominent labels written in English [not international humanitarian aid being held hostage in Egypt]

I'm really pleased that the prem babies will benefit but it doesn't help the other 550 patients, staff and any remaining displaced people who have no electricity and no water - but then again that's there own fault for not 'evacuating' 2 weeks ago

If only this was true and not that they had been disconnecting babies from incubators and hadn’t brought anything with them ….

idf aren’t heroes whilst they continue targeting innocent people

Efacsen · 16/11/2023 09:14

PurpleCrocs3 · 16/11/2023 09:07

@Efacsen The babies don't need incubators. They have incubators, just not fuel to run them.

The incubators they had are stranded in a dangerous non-accessible part of the hospital - the new state of the art ones apparently run without electricity

But yes genuinely re-supplying the hospital with fuel would save more lives eg patients currently dying of renal failure because there is no dialysis

FOJN · 16/11/2023 09:16

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/11/2023 09:09

Efacsen · Today 09:05
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It was nice to see IDF soldiers delivering new incubators, baby milk and some medical supplies to the hospital - a gift from Israel with prominent labels written in English [not international humanitarian aid being held hostage in Egypt

Oh FGS. Propaganda, with hastily printed labels in English for all the world to read. A few boxes of saline and drips and incubators, which the hospital already has but can’t use because they have no power. It has been cut off by Israel.

Why do people fall for this obvious crap?

I read the message as sarcastic.

Efacsen · 16/11/2023 09:19

FOJN · 16/11/2023 09:16

I read the message as sarcastic.

Yes was intended as wry comment

Not in anyway supporting this cynical photo op

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 09:19

Sky news is reporting that the areas in the south where people were told to move to from the north, are now being told they need to move from there too, so where do they move to now?

Leaflets dropped in southern Gaza warning civilians to evacuate - reportsIsraeli forces have dropped leaflets warning Palestinians to leave parts of southern Gaza, residents have told Reuters.
The flyers were dropped in areas east of the town Khan Younis telling civilians to evacuate and saying anyone staying near militants, or their positions, is putting their "life in danger", they said.

Efacsen · 16/11/2023 09:23

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 09:19

Sky news is reporting that the areas in the south where people were told to move to from the north, are now being told they need to move from there too, so where do they move to now?

Leaflets dropped in southern Gaza warning civilians to evacuate - reportsIsraeli forces have dropped leaflets warning Palestinians to leave parts of southern Gaza, residents have told Reuters.
The flyers were dropped in areas east of the town Khan Younis telling civilians to evacuate and saying anyone staying near militants, or their positions, is putting their "life in danger", they said.

They could always go to Egypt that's the next stop south!

The psychological cruelty is a sight to behold

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 09:27

@Efacsen It really is, many of the displaced in the south just made the journey with their families a few days ago. There is still bombing happening in the south and now they have to move again.

FOJN · 16/11/2023 09:28

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 09:19

Sky news is reporting that the areas in the south where people were told to move to from the north, are now being told they need to move from there too, so where do they move to now?

Leaflets dropped in southern Gaza warning civilians to evacuate - reportsIsraeli forces have dropped leaflets warning Palestinians to leave parts of southern Gaza, residents have told Reuters.
The flyers were dropped in areas east of the town Khan Younis telling civilians to evacuate and saying anyone staying near militants, or their positions, is putting their "life in danger", they said.

I just don't know what to say anymore.

I have cynically wondered if the plan is to concentrate the civilian population to create more casualties or force Egypt to open the Rafah border to refugees. There is no attempt being made to minimise civilian casualties.

The idea that anyone in Gaza has the option of moving anywhere safe is beyond deluded. How are the civilians supposed to move away from militants?

We are watching genocide and doing nothing to stop it.

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/11/2023 09:30

Efacsen · Today 09:19

FOJN · Today 09:16

I read the message as sarcastic.

Yes was intended as wry comment
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Not in anyway supporting this cynical photo op”

Sorry. My sense of humour is stretched very thin these days.

feralunderclass · 16/11/2023 09:33

On the news: "5,500 pregnant women to give birth soon, and both theirs and their unborn babies' lives are in grave danger" according to UN.

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/11/2023 09:36

Everyone supporting Israel’s stance should focus on those women feralunderclass reports. Put yourself in their position, really try to, for just a moment. If you still agree that Israel is doing the right thing, go to a mirror and take a long, hard look at yourself. You are wrong, plain and simple.

Its oh so easy to dismiss these individual human beings from your comfortable home in a safe country. They and their children are people like you and deserve this onslaught no more than you do.

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 09:54

Yes definitely
I saw a report that said most of the babies who were in need of incubators are mostly either orphans or their extended family are unknown. The doctor was saying they are asking for them to be evacuated out of Gaza so they can recieve the proper care they need

EasterIssland · 16/11/2023 09:58

And this is why people are refusing to move. Where do they keep moving to ? There is no safe place in Gaza so If it was me I’d avoid wasting energy specially as there is lack of food and so it’ll be. There is a big chance of not surviving all this at the end of the day

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