Shocked by the racist signs at marches

[Pigeotto]

Maybe I’m just severely naive but I’m honestly just shocked at the levels of racism of some of the signs at these marches. It’s just caught me really, really off guard.

Lobster7

I could point out little children were murdered on October the seventh and mutilated and there'd be no need for self-defence if that hadn't happened. But this is supposed to be a thread about the protests so I'll stick to that.

Policing protests has never been easy anywhere and getting the stance right at all times since civilisation began. I have been very annoyed by JSO blocking roads of people needing to get to work, hospital etc but others will see them as heroes.

Sometimes it can be best to let people let off steam but if that means the rest of the 67m people of the UK who are wanting to go to a station to catch a train or walk around in London are impeded or feel threatened by those marching it is not easy for the police to know where to draw the line. In some ways seeing how many people (even if it is just a small % of those marchhing) who support terrorism may be quite useful for us all to see what is amongst us when more often it may be hidden away.

It must never get to a point where he who shouts loudest or he who reacts most violently in the UK gets their way however. The police need to aware most people don't go on the marches and about 60% of the UK apparently could really care less about things happening the middle east. I might be supporting Israel here and some support the other side but the majority of people in the UK are just wanting to deal with very pressing daily problems like paying the bills.

It just makes me ask what is that supposed to achieve. It just makes the general public think these are hateful people and then question their agenda etc. It does Gazan people no good to have that type campaigning for them. Similar to why Jewish groups have told EDL to sod off and they don't need their support.

The only thing it achieves is they get an ego trip out of it and intimate people that are worried about this kind of thing. Totally pointless idiotic behaviour at its best.

"Murdering children in the name of self defence = totally reasonable behaviour"

Yes - that does rather nicely sum up the behaviour of Hamas terrorists -the people you obviously support -using innocent humans as shields. I don't think this is reasonable at all.
Nice try also earlier - "accidentally on purpose" posting a comment that you acknowledged derailed the thread with your consummate whataboutery skills.

Thee will be a huge mass of different views on protests. Some will just be bored and turn up for a bit of a day out. Some will have been crying for weeks over the issues. Some will be sending money to Hamas and others will detest Hamas.

Very regular street marches can lead to problems with law and order however and can mean very expensive policing resources are spent which could have been spent on other things. Those people protesting would probably do the people of Gazxa more good if instead they took another weekend shift at work and sent the proceeds to charities working in the area (as long as they are not linked to terrorists groups like Hamas).

In London the police are now keeping train station protesters in a kettled circle to one side or in the middle of a station. Then the rest of us can just walk around them no problem. Then eventually they get permission to remove the protests and have been fair good at this because it is normally only about 50 people. Not the hundreds sometimes reported or at the beginning.

I only wish the police could good with the trouble makers on the other protests.

@Jupitersstorm Hamas murdered people on October 7th and everyone has rightly condemned them. I do not support Hamas.

Israel are currently murdering children and have been for the last 43 days. If anyone is using whataboutery, it's you.

@Lobster7 not 'people'.... children. They murdered children. And there are 33 children the youngest is 10 months. Many are without their parents. Imagine how terrified they are?

Then why when I posted the Amnesty reports about Hamas torturing and murdering Gazan citizens did you feel the need to go all whatabout and post about Israel

Personally I don't think either side are saints. However you seem very quick to go all whataboutism when someone criticizes Hamas, very telling that. It is not a good look and we got your number honey.

@Stomacharmeleon Yes, I can imagine and my heart breaks for those children. It's awful and no child should have to go through what they did.

It absolutely does not justify Israel murdering thousands of Palestinian children and leaving thousands more without their families, though.

@Stomacharmeleon Lots of children starving, maimed and without parents in Gaza now. Do you think punishing then for the deaths of Israeli children is right? Due to the siege and continued bombing the hostages are suffering just like the people of Gaza. People who care about children care about all of them, but you only care about some.

They also took a largely pregnant lady that has probably given birth now if still alive

Many very old people that need medical of different sorts to stay alive or to make them comfortable and not in pain

@Trulywonderful I posted that in the wrong thread. There are a lot of threads going on and I got mixed up.

Talk about derailing. No one here has said anything about what is happening in Gaza not being terrible

Some idiot came on to do a whatabout because Hamas behaviour is criticized.

Would be easier to believe it you had:

Not posted it so quickly after I posted the Amnesty reports

Asked for it to be deleted by mumsnet

Hadn't started post more whatabout when the rest of us were just talking about protests

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@Trulywonderful So your response to people complaining about Israel abusing the Palestinians is to say but Hamas abuses them too? Hamas is bad. No one is refuting that, so I don't exactly know what point you are trying to make.

@stormy4319trevor well Hamas have said the hostages are 'in safe places and tunnels' so that remains to be seen.

And remember in the last couple of days two have been found in the al shifa compound. Hamas released footage of the gentleman in the medical bed saying 'I am not well'. An eighty year old man.

Of course I care about all children. Particularly children who are used as human shields by terrorists who could be protected by the action of their own government eg allowing the Red Cross to do a welfare check on children, pregnant women and the elderly. Things that might stop this insanity.

No if you bothered to read my posts then I was putting the reports on this thread because someone was suggesting a thread about Hamas behaviour towards the Gazens. I said I wasn't interested in doing that thread but here are the Amnesty reports on it.

For someone that only posted accidentally you seem to be trying to discredit me in some way. Anyone reading my posts knows what I have said. So don't waste your time and mine.

Maybe go on one of the conflict threads where your posts are on the topic being spoken about.

@Stomacharmeleon I believe the siege and bombings is bad news for the hostages too. Thank you for saying you care about all children -but you know their own government is doing nothing to protect them, and most likely won't. That doesn't mean it's OK for other people to hurt them, just because they are defenceless. I'm sure you know that, anyway, will stop de railing now.

Good thing absolutely no one has said that then.

Look at the long video from the protest outside Starmer's office in Camden.
at 2 mins "Israel is a terror state."

Where are the arrests ?
Imagine if a group of Jewish people chanted say "Iran" or similar is a terror state in London? They would all be carted off to a police station or detention centre.

https://mol.im/a/12764819#v-7327921024712133391

@mixgoal "Good thing absolutely no one has said that then."

Glad you agree that Israel murdering children is completely unreasonable behaviour.

Nobody has said that murdering children is reasonable.

Except you.

"Lobster7 · Today 18:27

Climbing a statue = unreasonable behaviour
Murdering children in the name of self defence = totally reasonable behaviour."

@Jupitersstorm Glad we can all agree that Israel are acting unreasonably.