Shocked by the racist signs at marches

[Pigeotto]

Maybe I’m just severely naive but I’m honestly just shocked at the levels of racism of some of the signs at these marches. It’s just caught me really, really off guard.

I didn't say it!

Purplecrocs said I was on a windup and so I reminded him/her that she/he said this in the thread documenting Israeli army and racism.

"Thank you for making this thread. I can't believe how much evidence there is of the IDF abusing the Palestinians and yet people still defend them.

For those predictably saying "what about Hamas???-

Why don't you go and start a thread with videos of Hamas abusing innocent civilians and children? Or maybe you can't as no such videos exist?

If Hamas are terrorists then so are the IDF.

"https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4943089-documenting-israeli-army-racism-and-torture

@tobeinthemaldives sorry was confused....

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/#:~:text=Hamas%20forces%20carried%20out%20a,new%20report%20by%20Amnesty%20International.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/

"Hamas authorities detained over 1,000 people, often using excesive force in the process, during “We Want to Live” demonstrations in March, according to the Palestinian statutory watchdog ICHR. The protests were spurred by the cost of living and taxes imposed by Hamas on goods like cigarettes and vegetables, against a background of Israel’s decade-plus-long closure of Gaza. Among those arrested were 23 journalists and five Palestinian human rights workers as they documented abuses, including staff of the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights, and Al Dameer Association for Human Rights in Gaza, as well as an Amnesty International employee."

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/05/29/palestine-no-letup-arbitrary-arrests-torture

Sorry wrong thread.

Just in case anyone is planning a thread on Hamas abusing Palestinians as someone suggested. Personally I wouldn't bother but these are worth reading anyway. Some interesting bits of information that are useful in them.

Glad to see that the police are going to do the right thing and arrest those people committing and inciting public disorder. I mean it's obvious to all that there isn't just one anti-semitic person half a mile away is it? There are literally thousands of people on each march who should have been detained for anti-semitic chants and placards.

The arrests would have been in their thousands last week had the police not been told to be light touch.

Well done Commander Findlay for doing the right thing now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12764819/Police-orders-step-pro-Palestinian-protesters-climb-war-memorials-today-hundreds-thousands-expected-100-rallies-UK.html Edited

That's a lot of faith you're putting in the Met, Jupitersstorm, considering they said last time that those scaling memorials "weren't committing any offence"

Words are all very well, but maybe let's wait to see what they actually do if laws are broken on today's protests

Yes - although I am inclined to feel that it is more hope as the frequency and visibility of these marches - and now sweeping up impressionable children in their midst - feels really sinister now. Especially when there are so many anti-Semitism deniers on these boards who try and gaslight worried people.

You have more faith in the police arresting people than me Jup and I have a nephew in the police force so not anti police

They literally said this week that they can't arrest people climbing on stuff unless they are causing criminal damage. However there are public unrest laws so that was rubbish. It meant they publicly told the protester they can do what they want. Even if now they have backtracked about it a little

They told the public they would start using facial recognition technology and social media to track down offenders. So the next march a large percentage of people wore masks

They only arrest the ring leader of antisemitic or violent groups of protesters. Even then only if safe to extract the person from the group and crowd. I totally understand this because they need to make sure they don't start a riot/keep the officers safe. However it means people are getting away with hate crimes and violent acts like throwing fireworks.

Uncivilised, disrespectful behaviour.
It should be illegal.

https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-says-its-not-illegal-to-climb-a-memorial-after-criticism-over-not-arresting-pro-palestinian-protesters-13009466

My faith in the police is certainly wavering now and I genuinely feel that they are scared of a backlash from certain communities.

Palestine protesters storm Bullring live as campaigners told to 'shut Birmingham down'

Palestine peace marchers have stormed the Bullring is afternoon after more than 100 people stopped traffic on a march from Small Heath to the city centre. The demonstration was monitored by police but officers could not stop a stream of those involved getting inside the giant mall when they reached the city centre.

Our reporter saw Bullring security staff arguing with police officers as the demonstration was split between those who made it inside and those who were kept out. The event was peaceful throughout after the march began from Small Heath Park at around noon.

I think probably because only around 100 protesters turned up they had to do something dramatic so stormed the shopping centre. It is interesting the security guard were arguing with the police. They obviously felt the police should have stopped the protesters from entering and helped to get get them out once inside. So not only us that are watching the police thinking aren't you going to do something

No it wasn't, you meant to post that here.

I think we were just ignoring it but yes they did. I had just posted the Amnesty link to how Hamas and PA behave horrifically. So the poster obviously got nervous about that. It doesn't suit the narrative some people are determined to believe eg resistance & Freedom fighters

Yes in my view too many people seem to think Hamas and their people are Gods and the others are the devil. I agree with "It's kind of astounding that a terrorist group is putting its citizens in the way of a defence force trying to find hostages that the terrorist group refuse to release."

On the climbing on statues it will probably clam down soon as the British weather is often too awful as we move into winter for many people to want to be out and about. If any damage is done that is criminal damage. However even if no damage is done if people climb up things that are unsafe eg eco people high up above motorways that can be a criminal act as they might fall and hurt others, never mind themselves.

I don’t think you’ll find many people who will disagree with the amnesty quote on that article about the 2014 conflict. The Israeli authorities and Hamas are truly as bad as each other.

It is absolutely appalling that, while Israeli forces were inflicting massive death and destruction upon the people in Gaza, Hamas forces took the opportunity to ruthlessly settle scores, carrying out a series of unlawful killings and other grave abuses

I do think that images like this indicate that these statue climbers want to intimidate and incite - hardly indicators of a "Peaceful" march.
Hard to believe this is in London.

Sorry - I meant to add this image here to this post:

I do think that images like this indicate that these statue climbers want to intimidate and incite - hardly indicators of a "Peaceful" march.

Hard to believe this is in London.

Unfortunately there seems to be no end to people that call Hamas resistance fighters or freedom fighters like I said

I have worked with many a man over the years that have said they view Hamas as resistance fighters. Quite often it is said without being relevant to the conversation too. Never get this from women. Just men that don't like a strong Jewish woman telling them what to do at work. I label them a fuckwit and ignore their ignorance.

Anyway like I said in a post I only posted the Amnesty reports here because some said about starting a thread on Hamas abusing Gazens. Not really something I want to be debating myself at the moment. We might come back to it at some stage depending on how things end up I suppose.

Climbing a statue = unreasonable behaviour
Murdering children in the name of self defence = totally reasonable behaviour

Pisa. Many are just thugs.

https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1725606779596185741?t=WJkV1TRHqSySCaAGvi0E0A&s=19

Simpler scenes around London straight after the pogrom. When they were out celebrating. They climbed on statues and things waving flags and flares then too. So in the case of these particular types of protesters it has nothing to do with a ceasefire or Gazens in general. It is definitely just to intimate and incite. Also to say they can do whatever they want now and nobody can stop them.