MonsieurCrapeau · Today 14:16
“whatswrongwiththeworldddd · Today 13:44
A proportionate response wouldn't be to wipe out an entire race to take over their land. The IDF have outright admitted their task is to occupy, cleanse and make Gaza their own and they won't stop until they've completed their mission.”
Ironic that you’re saying this on a thread about misinformation.
It is not necessarily all misinformation. The prominent Israeli politician/finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, wrote a paper called the ‘Decisive Plan’ to resolve the Israeli Palestinian conflict once and for all.
In the plan he suggests among other things that all Gazans should emigrate to a tent camp in Egypt to start with, but then not come back. They should be given incentives to agree to this.
The actual document is within this article linked below. So even if someone might think the article is biased, the document can speak for itself. It itself is not misinformation.
https://www.972mag.com/smotrich-decisive-plan-israeli-public/
Here is more about this man in the New York Times March 2023.
This March headline reads:
”As Israel’s Crises Pile Up, a Far-Right Minister Is a Common Thread
Bezalel Smotrich, the finance minister, is a longtime advocate of contentious plans to overhaul the judiciary. He has also exacerbated tensions with Palestinians and Israel’s allies.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/world/middleeast/israel-smotrich-protests.html
Today an American politician Seth Moulton was recommending that all Gazans should be helped to leave in order to keep them safe, while Israel goes after Hamas, but they must be given assurance they will return.
This was in an interview by Al Jazeera on ‘Bottom Line’ :
“12:30
The Bottom Line
U.S. Congressman Seth Moulton argues that Israel is creating more future enemies by killing so many innocent civilians in Gaza.”
He was entirely sympathetic to the Gazan civilians, yet at the same time what he was advocating was basically using carrots to get them into Egypt, with what could easily prove to be false promises about a future return.
Who can promise they can go back later? Who would enforce that condition?
There would not be any guarantee of return. (Look at the unfulfilled promises of safe asylum to those Afghanistanis and their families who had helped the U.K. and U.S.)
It is easy to make ‘promises’ for the future. Palestinians already know from the Nakba that they would not go back.
People may distrust Al Jazeera but Seth Moulton was speaking for all to hear. There is no misinformation that he said what he said - all be it he meant it altruistically. Getting Palestinians out of Gaza is seen as an humanitarian aim in some quarters.
Here is Seth Moulton again in
this NBC article
www.nbcboston.com/news/local/moulton-urges-israel-to-make-tactical-change-and-help-civilians-out-of-gaza/3180735/
Read Moulton's full statement:
From the outset of this conflict, I have urged Israel to learn from America's successes and failures in the War on Terror. One of the best tactical and moral decisions our forces made was to urge civilians to evacuate cities like Najaf and Fallujah, giving them time to leave before clearing the area of terrorists. An estimated 90% of civilians left Fallujah before U.S. forces entered the city, limiting civilian casualties to a fraction of the number killed in Gaza already. Just as importantly, that strategy weakened the insurgency as some supporters gave up instead of fighting. U.S. Marines eliminated the rest.
The IDF should adopt a similar strategy. Fundamentally, it's not a so-called "humanitarian pause," as many have urged, which suggests temporary relief before going back to status quo, but a civilian evacuation, both of the hostages (through negotiation) and innocent Palestinians (through a surge of aid). In addition to providing safe corridors and safe harbor for fleeing civilians, humanitarian aid must be a continuous and integral part of Israel's military operation. This is another key lesson from Iraq and Afghanistan. By doing so, the IDF will demonstrate both to Palestinians and the rest of the world that it is living up to its commitment to protect Palestinian life. It will also starve Hamas of fighters and support.
This would be an important tactical change. Israel must provide a dramatic alternative to remaining in Northern Gaza, and they achieve that not with a minimum of aid but with a massive surge of aid to the South, enough to get civilians to leave despite Hamas' evil efforts to make them stay. The IDF must also show Palestinians that they will be safe where the aid is located, and I suspect Israel can win some international partners in that effort.
To be clear: getting the hostages out remains a top priority. With hostages scattered in tunnels throughout Gaza, saving them will come through diplomatic negotiations, not military means — another reason for Israel to pursue this approach.
Israel has the unequivocal right and responsibility to defend itself against terrorism. I am also deeply concerned by the reports of massive civilian casualties in Gaza.
Of course, if Hamas actually cared about the Palestinian people, the group would surrender before Israel has to go in and eliminate it. But since that is unlikely to happen, it's important for Israel to keep in mind another fundamental lesson we learned in Iraq and Afghanistan: that you can never create more terrorists than you kill. Civilian casualties ultimately help Hamas' recruiting. It is therefore both a moral and military imperative for Israel to reduce innocent suffering as it executes its operations moving forward.