Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

To be honest
It could be anything.
Stuff posted on instagram and Twitter are not to be trusted. In fact it has got to the point whoever and where ever it is posted it cannot be trusted !

Footage from A film made in 2022 is being sited as real online to spread propaganda too. Some claiming it as pro Israel, some pro Palestinian. Actually it’s just a film.

Everything should be independently verified before it can be believed.

Thank you very much. That is harrowing and the military imprisonment of civilians reminiscent of the some of the worst states in history.

One if the most upsetting things I have ever heard of is soldiers going in the night to ‘map’ and photograph the children; and dragging very, very young children out and away from their families then questioning them with a mix of duress and bribes - a sort of grooming - to make them tell them the names of friends and family members etc. Then they are caught-in as informants. As someone says it breaks them forever.

I actually found I felt sick it was so upsetting.

Right so I'm just looking at the IDF's footage of the terrorist tunnel they found in the Al Shifa complex.

At first you can see it's a drone being used to record the footage. Note the small focus circle in the centre. It goes down this shaft, which to me, doesn't look like a person can go down it properly hence using the drone. If you keep watching a few seconds in as the drone makes its way down, there's a quick edit in the footage which then changes to someone running and recording it themselves. Note the focus circle I mentioned has now disappeared so not a drone and the camera is tilting from side to side.

So if this is the entrance to the tunnel that they've found, how did the person get down there?

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz1dlQ-o8NI/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

I understand they used a dog, one of the Sky News / BBC commentators suggested it when they saw a muzzle at the scene.

This is not evidence, just the suggestion from the commentator.

Also worth questioning the fact that there is so much rubble around the entry point, they can’t well have been using IT as access if every time they needed to get down their they needed to redo the concrete flooring!?

All major websites have discredited the possibility of a major command centre based in evidence shared so far.

So if this is the entrance to the tunnel that they've found, how did the person get down there?

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz1dlQ-o8NI/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

There is a rickety spiral staircase.

I have read somewhere that a dog or a robot-dog filmed the tunnel part. The rhythm/speed of what we see in the video suggests that is possible.

Could it get down the steps? If not, could it have been lowered down through the shaft?

Or possibly that tunnel was not joined to that particular shaft in the first place.
No independent corroborators were involved.

@notsoready4school yes I agree about the rubble. Would make sense that they've used a dog, I haven't seen it on the news so that's interesting.

I was doing some research the other day and I came across an article, which I can't find now. But in it, it said that the tunnels were built by Israel in the 1980's and during a targeted operation in the 2000s, they had damaged the tunnels substantially and causing buildings to collapse as a result.

Has anyone seen this? It's a page detailing how much people are paid to spread pro-Israeli govt propaganda on social media.

From:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/181sccl/israel_spends_billions_of_dollars_paying/

I've not read it but I have heard about it

and this article goes back a while but proves they seek people to post pro-Israel messages on social media

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel is looking to hire university students to post pro-Israel messages on social media networks — without needing to identify themselves as government-linked, officials said Wednesday.

Everyone speaks on behalf of the children.

He was a child, have you heard his voice?

@eester thanks for sharing.

From Haaretz the Israeli newspaper.

@Ohlalalalala really disturbing, thank you for sharing.

Yes.
He knows how vicious Hamas is to Palestinians too.

Is that in question?

Israel bombing, burning, maiming and starving Palestinian children and their parents in their thousands, destroying their houses, and yet again pushing them out of their homes, will produce future dissociated, brutalised Hamas types with nothing to lose.

Thank you.

Here's an article about the Hasbara handbook that was written in 2009 and leaked to the press.

^www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html^

But on television and radio and in newspapers, Israeli government spokesmen such as Mark Regev appear slicker and less aggressive than their predecessors, who were often visibly indifferent to how many Palestinians were killed.
There is a reason for this enhancement of the PR skills of Israeli spokesmen. Going by what they say, the playbook they are using is a professional, well-researched and confidential study on how to influence the media and public opinion in America and Europe. Written by the expert Republican pollster and political strategist Dr Frank Luntz, the study was commissioned five years ago by a group called The Israel Project, with offices in the US and Israel, for use by those "who are on the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel"....
......The booklet is full of meaty advice about how they should shape their answers for different audiences. For example, the study says that "Americans agree that Israel 'has a right to defensible borders'. But it does you no good to define exactly what those borders should be. Avoid talking about borders in terms of pre- or post-1967, because it only serves to remind Americans of Israel's military history. Particularly on the left this does you harm. For instance, support for Israel's right to defensible borders drops from a heady 89 per cent to under 60 per cent when you talk about it in terms of 1967.".....

It was still available to download 2 weeks ago when I checked.

@BelleHathor I meant the handbook.

Yes, it's still available on some sites (I have a pdf copy), though newsweek removed their direct link a couple of weeks ago. It's eye opening and very informative about how the discourse around Palestine is "managed".

Are we really back to hasbara being something sinister, evil and exclusive to Israel? 🤦🏻‍♀️

You will literally find anything to hate Israel for, including the fact they have a PR department. Just like every other country does, as well as companies and organisations all over the world, including Hamas. And every well-run PR department has some form of handbook, as otherwise they wouldn't be very good at their job.

This hatred of absolutely everything Israel says and does is the reason they need hasbara in the first place.

exactly
Why did Tony Blair stop wearing a tie and jacket.
Hes really not that cool.
His PR department told him he would be ‘more at one’ with his people.

Thanks for this, it's a very interesting read.

I've been watching the news and various interviews and I always noticed how the same sort of rhetoric would be evident in them. Especially the lines "do you condemn Hamas?" Or "do you believe Israel has a right to defend itself".

You will literally find anything to hate Israel for, including the fact they have a PR department
It’s more propaganda isn’t it?

https://www.972mag.com/hasbara-why-does-the-world-fail-to-understand-us/

No, it's PR.

"Mark Regev appear slicker and less aggressive than their predecessors"

I thought he failed badly at both these things when he was interviewed by Mehdi Hassan on MSNBC and it looked like he inadvertently admitted to things I don't things he was supposed to.