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Conflict in the Middle East

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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EasterIssland · 21/11/2023 16:39

Girahim · 21/11/2023 15:48

Propaganda fail? You mean when certain posters on here who mostly seem to not be around anymore were falling over themselves to say how well she was treated by the people who took her hostage in the middle of a massacre and still have her husband?

certain posters on here who mostly seem to not be around anymore = those that have been defending Palestinian citizens we are still here a month after
however , many accounts pro Israel keep coming day after day demanding us to say whether we are pro Hamas or not.

also, those were her words , you can say she was threatened about her husband being killed. Maybe it’s the reason why she said it. But they were her words so when we talk about her that’s what we say

Girahim · 21/11/2023 17:01

EasterIssland · 21/11/2023 16:39

certain posters on here who mostly seem to not be around anymore = those that have been defending Palestinian citizens we are still here a month after
however , many accounts pro Israel keep coming day after day demanding us to say whether we are pro Hamas or not.

also, those were her words , you can say she was threatened about her husband being killed. Maybe it’s the reason why she said it. But they were her words so when we talk about her that’s what we say

She also said they put her through hell. And thst she was beaten with sticks. And it's unlikely she was going to publicly talk shit about the people whobhave her husband and over a hundred other people besides. And in any case it doesn't matter if they put them up in five star hotels, they still took them fucking hostage.

And yes, most of the usernames who were making excuses and praising the captors for how well they treated the captives haven't popped up much since.

EasterIssland · 21/11/2023 17:12

Girahim · 21/11/2023 17:01

She also said they put her through hell. And thst she was beaten with sticks. And it's unlikely she was going to publicly talk shit about the people whobhave her husband and over a hundred other people besides. And in any case it doesn't matter if they put them up in five star hotels, they still took them fucking hostage.

And yes, most of the usernames who were making excuses and praising the captors for how well they treated the captives haven't popped up much since.

I understood that those that got her through hell were those that kidnapped her and not those that kept her hostage

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 17:24

You could also argue that Israel had a part to play in the kidnapping of the hostages as they ignored the warnings that were given to them before and here you see that Yocheved is angry at them for it.

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Girahim · 21/11/2023 17:31

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 17:24

You could also argue that Israel had a part to play in the kidnapping of the hostages as they ignored the warnings that were given to them before and here you see that Yocheved is angry at them for it.

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No, I think I'll blame the people who did the kidnapping thanks.

And I know you're enthusiastic about defending these kidnapping scum but no need to post the video three times.

Girahim · 21/11/2023 17:32

EasterIssland · 21/11/2023 17:12

I understood that those that got her through hell were those that kidnapped her and not those that kept her hostage

They both belong to the same groups monsters who take innocent civilians hostage.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 17:36

@Girahim clearly you're one of those people who think Israel are angels in all of this. Do you think 7/10 would have happened if Netanyahu took the warnings seriously?

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FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 21/11/2023 17:48

Girahim · 21/11/2023 17:32

They both belong to the same groups monsters who take innocent civilians hostage.

Along with the thousands of Palestinian workers taken by the Israeli Government.
Lets hope Netanyahu doesnt delay further on the release of all hostages on both sides

Girahim · 21/11/2023 18:01

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 17:36

@Girahim clearly you're one of those people who think Israel are angels in all of this. Do you think 7/10 would have happened if Netanyahu took the warnings seriously?

Because I think people who kidnap others are bad it means I think Israel are angels? That's a leap, is all your thinking that black and white?

HaveALaff · 21/11/2023 20:39

Girahim · 21/11/2023 18:01

Because I think people who kidnap others are bad it means I think Israel are angels? That's a leap, is all your thinking that black and white?

Hamas have taken hostages and have said they have taken hostages. In the past they have treated hostages well but we do not know how the current hostages will be treated. I do not agree with this and it is wrong.

The Israel government takes hostages (including children) and practices torture methods on them. Children have their heads flushed down toilets, have their parents being beaten and can hear them, have intense interrogations (lasting 7 hours in some cases) and are subject to physical abuse. They are held in prisons without any charge.

I am just stating facts.

HaveALaff · 21/11/2023 20:43

For those who do not want to open the link please search for: the treatment of detained Palestinian children by the Israeli authorities. It is a report into the awful crimes committed by Israel.

Some posters can't condemn Israel for this and it's very scary.

Girahim · 21/11/2023 20:49

Not going to download a pdf with an undescriptive name from an undescriptive link, that's dodgy as hell.

HaveALaff · 21/11/2023 20:52

Girahim · 21/11/2023 20:49

Not going to download a pdf with an undescriptive name from an undescriptive link, that's dodgy as hell.

Yes I posted the name of the report. Have a look at it.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 20:52

@Girahim here's a link for you to open. Hope it helps.

www.refworld.org/pdfid/46c190460.pdf

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Girahim · 21/11/2023 20:53

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 20:52

@Girahim here's a link for you to open. Hope it helps.

www.refworld.org/pdfid/46c190460.pdf

Still tries to get me to download a pdf.

HaveALaff · 21/11/2023 20:57

See examples of how the Palestinian child hostages have been treated. This has been ongoing for years. It's very concerning. I hope the Palestinian children held hostage are freed and I hope the Israeli children held hostage are freed too.

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 21/11/2023 21:45

HaveALaff · 21/11/2023 20:57

See examples of how the Palestinian child hostages have been treated. This has been ongoing for years. It's very concerning. I hope the Palestinian children held hostage are freed and I hope the Israeli children held hostage are freed too.

Child abuse.
War crimes
Plain and simple

ScrollingLeaves · 21/11/2023 22:51

Girahim · 21/11/2023 20:49

Not going to download a pdf with an undescriptive name from an undescriptive link, that's dodgy as hell.

This says who produced it, and gives a list of contents.

It is a serious paper and well worth reading.

LAW - The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment

The Public Committee against Torture
In Israel (PCATI)

The World Organisation Against Torture (OMCT)

The Treatment of Detained Palestinian Children by the Israeli Authorities
November 2001

LAW - The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment
P.O.B 20873, Jerusalem 91208
Tel.: 972-2-5833430 Fax: 972-2-5833317
E-mail: [email protected] www.lawsociety.org

“The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI)
POB 4634, Jerusalem 91046
Tel.: 972-2- 5630073 Fax: 972-2-5665477 E-mail: [email protected] www.stoptorture.org.il

The World Organisation Against Torture (OMCT)

OMCT International Secretariat PO Box 21
8, rue du Vieux-Billard CH-1211 Geneva 8 Switzerland
Tel.: ++41 22 809 49 39 Fax: ++41 22 809 49 29 E-mail: [email protected]
http://www.omct.org
OMCT would like to extend its gratitude for its support of the Special Procedures Programme to the Government of the United Kingdom.

Researched and written by Renata Capella Soler (LAW) in consultation with Yuval Ginbar (PCATI) and Isabel Ricupero (OMCT)

Co-ordinated and edited by Isabel Ricupero

Table of Contents
Introduction ......................................................................................................... 3 Part One: Torture and Other Ill-Treatment of Children (issues under articles 1 and 16 of the Convention)...................................................................................5

  1. Abuse during arrest and transfer to detention centres .................................... 5 2. Torture and ill-treatment during interrogation ................................................... 6 3. Detention and imprisonment conditions............................................................. 7
Part Two: The Legal Context (issues under articles 2.1 and 15 of the Convention) ......................................................................................................10 1. Definition of the child under military law applicable in the OPT contrary to international law ....................................................................................................... 11 2. Stone-throwing as a security offence subject to military jurisdiction ........... 11 Conclusion ........................................................................................................ 15

The author, Isabel Ricupero, is easy to find on the internet,

Whether you agree with what she has written or not, this certainly appears to be a serious, bona fide piece of academic work written in good faith - not dodgy.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 22/11/2023 10:12

This comes as no surprise to me.

Here Former Israeli PM Ehud Barak says that the bunkers/tunnels were in fact built by Israel.

truthout.org/articles/bunkers-under-gaza-hospital-were-built-by-israel-former-israel-pm-says/

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz43FA8C9Fc/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

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feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 10:35

This video features Steve Austin, an Australian lawyer who focuses on the abuse of children in the Occupied Palestinian Territories by Israeli authorities. It includes:

-physical torture
-psychological torture
-sexual abuse from both men and animals (putting food on genital areas and then getting a dog to lick it off)

Stone Cold Justice: Israel’s torture of Palestinian children - ABC Australia

A film which has been produced by a group of Australian journalists has sparked an international outcry against Israel after it explicitly detailed Tel Aviv'...

https://youtu.be/cvOSv2fGJ5w?si=GT5wPHVpsUi12AaX

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 22/11/2023 15:58

I've just come across this video

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 22/11/2023 16:04

Sorry didn't finish the post.

I saw this video on Instagram but I wondered if anyone here can shed some light on the source of it.

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz9CfTftxEo/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

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FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 22/11/2023 16:36

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 22/11/2023 16:04

Sorry didn't finish the post.

I saw this video on Instagram but I wondered if anyone here can shed some light on the source of it.

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz9CfTftxEo/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

The source seems to be Fox News witnessing the IDF faking news
The naked guy is an actor and he is later seen getting dressed after the IDF finished filming.

TinkerTiger · 22/11/2023 17:46

@whatswrongwiththeworldddd @FourCandlesNotForkHandles I've had a look at it but can't it be argued that the man was just dressing in clothes given to him seeing as he had none? Not saying I believe it's authentic, just that it isn't mind blowing 'proof'.

I suppose the counter-argument could be that it's coincidental that there were clothes there in the first place that and that it fit...hmm.

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