Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

@MNHQ I’m really not sure why I was deleted. I objected, admittedly using strong language, to a poster who heavily insinuated that I was justifying the murder of children. Since when is swearing against Talk Guidelines? I didn’t name call or personally attack anyone, I just objected to what felt like a very pointed attack on me. I queried whether the poster was referring to me in a previous response and they did not respond but instead posted a discusting accusation aimed at posters who “know who they are”. I know they now say they didn’t mean me but haven’t clarified who they did mean despite being asked.

Is it ok to do that as long as you say you aren’t naming names?

I can spell disgusting, promise.

I think saying that posters are supporting the murder of children 'without naming names' is a particularly sly way of throwing shade while dodging accountability.

I mean, if you think someone is supporting the murder of children, why wouldn't you name names?

That said, posters on here have tried to accuse me of supporting the murder of children or whatever, which is obvious horseshit, so one must remain sceptical as to the veracity of these claims.

It's a purity spiral. If you even slightly deviate from the accepted narrative, then you must be a baddie.

Just to clarify: even though I found your outburst rude and uncalled-for, I did not report it; I never respond to a post I report.

I see that @MNHQ has deleted my post. May I know the reason to that please?

To my knowledge there was nothing in the guidelines that I broke.

Thats why i think there should be more detailed talk guidelines

Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. In addition, about 30 children were taken hostage by Hamas, the Associated Press reported.
But a video has been circulating on Instagram falsely suggesting that there may have been no deaths of children in Israel.
The video shows a since-deleted post from the World Jewish Congress’ Instagram page, which the video calls “A list of the children who were allegedly massacred on Oct. 7.” The video concludes with large red text at the end: “EXPOSED: Israel’s named victims of ‘October 7th massacre’ are copied from an article that was written in 2014.”
One user left a comment that said: “One has to start doubting if anyone really was killed.” Another said, “This is all planned and fake to excuse their actions and they thought the world would let them get away with it.”
It appears that the Instagram post by the World Jewish Congress — an organization representing Jewish communities globally — shown in the video does repeat some of the names included in a list from 2014 of children who had been killed in Israel over the preceding years.

www.factcheck.org/2023/11/dozens-of-children-died-in-hamas-oct-7-attack-on-israel-contrary-to-online-claim/

I think MNHQ goes more by the opinions of the person doing the moderating than actual guidelines. I've had posts deleted whilst worse posts have remained. I'm absolutely sure there are certain posters ensuring any criticism of Israel is deleted. I reported a recent really nasty post about Corbyn that was allowed to remain yet a few weeks ago i criticised Netanyahu and was deleted and it wasn't as personal a critique as the Corbyn one.

When it comes down to it mn seem to be toeing the line as set by the government.

Is this tweet your only source for this? Is anywhere else is reporting on this?

I’ve googled and can’t find any credible sources to support it.

Video that supposedly showed this has been found to be miscaptioned.

https://fullfact.org/news/israeli-helicopter-shooting-civilians-music-festival/

I posted it because the link is hidden behind a paywall. Here you’ve the original source
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-18/ty-article/.premium/israeli-security-establishment-hamas-likely-didnt-have-prior-knowledge-of-nova-festival/0000018b-e2ee-d168-a3ef-f7fe8ca20000

No it comes from a screenshot of twitter.

@EasterIssland posted a biased and misleading tweet. The Haaretz article quoted above actually says that Hamas most likely didn’t know about the festival prior to Oct 7th and spontaneously attacked it that day. Posting a tweet implying it wasn’t Hamas that carried out the mass rape, torture and murder at the festival because they didn't know about it is spreading misinformation of the highest order.

That Haaretz article doesn’t say anything like what the tweet suggests it does.

Oh dear.

Have you read it after paying ? As said it’s behind a paywall

this is what I can find (it’s a source from Palestine citing the newspaper so I know you’re going to discard it directly)

Did Hamas have advanced knowledge of the Nova Music Festival?Haaretz reports,
“The growing assessment in Israel’s security establishment is that Hamas terrorists (fighters) who committed the (alleged) October 7 massacre didn’t have advance knowledge about the Nova music festival held next to Kibbutz Re’im, and decided to target the party spontaneously.
“The assessment is based on terrorist interrogations and the police’s investigation of the incident, among other things, which reveal that the terrorists intended to infiltrate Re’im and other kibbutzim near the Gaza border.”
So who killed the civilians at the Festival?“According to a police source, the investigation also indicates that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants. According to police, 364 people were murdered at the festival.”

It’s interesting how many misinformation tweets quote Haaretz wildly out of context or otherwise misrepresent their articles. I wonder if there’s a reason why that particular newspaper keeps cropping up. It can’t just be the paywall, as most papers are behind a paywall nowadays.

At no point the tweet is Implaying that “it wasn’t Hamas that carried out the mass rape, torture and murder at the festival”

maybe read again what it actually says

If you look at the actual twitter account, he says that the helicopter killed most of the civillians at the festival. Which is not what the article says.

I’ve found the original source. It’s in Hebrew so you’d need to translate it.

https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2023-11-18/ty-article/0000018b-e1a5-d168-a3ef-f5ff4d070000

I’ve translated part of it myself .

The Tweet doesn’t say neither anything about rape and torture

The tweet says “have you ever seen a country that lies as much as Israel?” and is designed to make people think that the investigation found that Israel was responsible for the deaths at the festival rather than that their helicopters might have accidentally “also hit some revellers whilst firing at the terrorists”.

The tweet also says “Hamas didn’t know about the festival” when what the article says is that they didn’t know about it until 7th October when the festival was likely seen by drones or from parachutes.

It is deliberately framed to suggest that Hamas were not responsible for the atrocities at the festival. Obviously, I’m glad that you didn’t read it that way but I think that’s how many people would.

Regarding Israel killing by mistake some people, I raised this as well after reading it somewhere else a well. I received loads of abuse after posting it in MN. At no point I was saying idf had targeted innocent people , in fact I was mentioning that it was probably a mistake. Seems like a week after it can be confirmed that some in the festival were killed by mistake by idf.

I read it in this way “until now for some reason it’s been denied that idf had killing innocent people on 7-10 by mistake and more investigations are pointing at this that it’s quits likely it had happened , and even a newspaper from Israel is now suggesting it”

Did Hamas have advanced knowledge of the Nova Music Festival?

Haaretz reports,

“The growing assessment in Israel’s security establishment is that Hamas terrorists (fighters) who committed the (alleged) October 7 massacre didn’t have advance knowledge about the Nova music festival held next to Kibbutz Re’im, and decided to target the party spontaneously.

“The assessment is based on terrorist interrogations and the police’s investigation of the incident, among other things, which reveal that the terrorists intended to infiltrate Re’im and other kibbutzim near the Gaza border.”

So who killed the civilians at the Festival?

“According to a police source, the investigation also indicates that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants. According to police, 364 people were murdered at the festival.”

But how did a well-planned operation like the one carried out by Hamas not know about a major music festival taking place on the same day?Haaretz answers,

“According to police sources, the party was originally planned for Thursday and Friday, with an extra day on Saturday added only on Tuesday of that week, at the organizers’ request. The last-minute change strengthens the assessment that Hamas hadn’t known of the event.”

This is quoted from the Israeli newspaper Haaretz but I read it within another newspaper “The Palestinian Chronical”.

Here is a link to the newspaper Haaretz itself which is the source for this, and you can see the first paragraph - but no more as it is subscription only.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-18/ty-article/.premium/israeli-security-establishment-hamas-likely-didnt-have-prior-knowledge-of-nova-festival/0000018b-e2ee-d168-a3ef-f7fe8ca20000

Al Jazeera is also reporting this.
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“Hamas had not planned to attack music festival, Israeli report saysFirst police investigation of Supernova festival also found Israeli forces responsible for some deaths
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/18/hamas-had-not-planned-to-attack-israel-music-festival-israeli-report-says

“until now for some reason it’s been denied that idf had killing innocent people on 7-10 by mistake and more investigations are pointing at this that it’s quits likely it had happened , and even a newspaper from Israel is now suggesting it”

Been denied by whom? I don’t think the Israeli government or IDF have ever claimed that no deaths were caused by friendly fire on 7th October. Why would someone accuse the Israeli government of lying to a degree that no other government they have known ever has because some people on the internet denied that they’d done something even though the government themselves never made such a denial?