Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

[whatswrongwiththeworldddd]

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

Thank you for the Reuters fact check links, @Takoneko; there were a couple there I'd not yet seen

I suspect, however, that there's some confusion because you're being fair enough to include misrepresentation by both parties, when an all too common mindset on here is to focus on only "their side"

A pity, really, and hardly something that's likely to help resolve anything

Apologies. I was trying to say the same thing as you

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czv8AoQIjYo/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Apologies if this has already been posted or mentioned. I haven't scrolled back

Thanks for the link @Takoneko

This one

The IDF did not admit to bombing a hospital fullfact.org/news/screenshot-Arabic-IDF-Facebook-post-not-genuine/

Although this is about the Facebook page claiming that the IDF admitted to bombing the hospital, there has been investigations carried out that prove that it was fired from the Israeli controlled side of the Gaza perimeter.

One of my favourite example is a post on X by Naftali, a digital aide to the PM Netanyahu saying "Israeli airforce struck a Hamas terrorist base inside a hospital in Gaza" which was then almost immediately deleted.

www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/20/what-have-open-source-videos-revealed-about-the-gaza-hospital-explosion

The electronic intifada article says this:
“Israel’s Haaretz newspaper on 20 October published an interview – only in its Hebrew edition”
Their Haaretz link in “published an interview” led to this Haaretz in Hebrew. I don’t know if you can find a way to translate it?
<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.md/2023.10.22-092119/www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2023-10-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/0000018b-499a-dc3c-a5df-ddbaab290000?fbclid=IwAR1bObZUau2KRdEvOvGqskFyVLkVxknDg7dHm9dfgsbUbi8ECFJQZYri0As" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.md/2023.10.22-092119/www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2023-10-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/0000018b-499a-dc3c-a5df-ddbaab290000?fbclid=IwAR1bObZUau2KRdEvOvGqskFyVLkVxknDg7dHm9dfgsbUbi8ECFJQZYri0As

Re: the “Who burnt them [Hamas]?” question, that seems to come result from
something Israeli Hovernment spokesman Mark Regev said :
(This below us from electronic intifada but links to a Twitter post with a real video)
“On Thursday, MSNBC host Mehdi Hasan Israeli government spokesperson Mark Regev about the many lies and false claims that Israel has made to justify its genocidal bombing and invasion of Gaza.

While attempting to parry Hasan’s challenges, Regev told many more lies, trying to change the subject and shift the blame for the horrifying toll away from Israel and onto Israel’s Palestinian victims.

But Regev made one admission whose significance neither Regev nor Hasan appears to have recognized.
Regev was trying to make the point that Israel – supposedly unlike Hamas – can be trusted because when Israel makes a mistake, it admits it.

Regex gave this example: “We originally said, in the atrocious Hamas attack upon our people on October 7th, we had the number at 1,400 casualties and now we’ve revised that down to 1,200 because we understood that we’d overestimated, we made a mistake. There were actually bodies that were so badly burnt we thought they were ours, in the end apparently they were Hamas terrorists.”’

This quote from Mark Regev is in a video posted by Ram Abdu on his Twitter.
He was the one who wrote:
“Must be shared widely!”

“The question then is: who burned them?”

“The burned bodies that Israel used as an excuse to commit the genocide in Gaza were for Palestinian fighters”

twitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1725466157166059949

Yasmin Porat seems to have been real.
But her original interview was on the radio I think. It is down to who transcribed that.

In answer to your question I don’t really know of any really clear sources being more specific.

It does seem there was understandably a certain amount of chaos on the days immediately following the Hamas/Palestinian-marauder attack Oct 7, with the IDF not always being all that cautious.

I forgot to include this link. The actual link to the Mark Ragev interview was within this.
electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-admits-burning-hundreds-people-7-october

Look on Al Jazeera now.

Mass murder. Unbelievable. A school bombed. Obscene. The USA Israel is criminal. Bodies everywhere. Everywhere.

there has been investigations carried out that prove that it was fired from the Israeli controlled side of the Gaza perimeter

@whatswrongwiththeworldddd Could you please link to a reputable, neutral news outlet that says that it has been proven that Israel was responsible? My mind is not firmly made up one way or another but the evidence I’ve seen points towards a missile fired from inside Gaza being the more likely culprit. I was initially very sceptical of Israel’s claims but the evidence seems to be with them on this particular incident.

Tweets by digital aides who jump the gun before checking their facts are evidence of nothing.

Here’s some of the analysis I’ve seen. Particularly dubious are the Hamas claims that no weapon fragments were found and that they were all “vaporised”. Experts say that just isn’t what happens.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67216929.amp

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/who-blew-up-the-hospital-in-gaza-b2432269.html

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e3

Re general misinformation:

This is a general NBC article about it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/information-missteps-led-questions-israels-credibility-rcna125723

It is worth looking at the video included of a Palestinian making fun of the sort of things the Israeli state/military has been calling evidence against Palestinians.
Who can absolutely know if these examples shown are true or just the result of clever Palestinian comedy writing. I suspect they may be true examples.

Here's a video from Channel 4 that explains it well.

This is the Twitter video I referred to of the man making fun of the sort of evidence being used to condemn Palestinians.

x.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1724845976500723737?s=20

There are serious questions over Israel’s credibility. I don’t think anyone is disputing that Israeli (or pro-Israeli) claims are not to be taken at face value.

However, that does not make everything that Israel says untrue and it certainly doesn’t mean that everything Hamas says is true.

Both sides’ claims need serious scrutiny. It’s why the work of serious journalists and fact checkers is so important.

It’s frustrating on a thread about disinformation to keep seeing posts from
instagram and X cited totally uncritically as “fact” or “proof” rather than people taking a look to see whether there are credible news agencies reporting similar.

The problem about crying wolf all the time is that no one will believe you when you are telling the truth. So it's hard to trust anything that comes out of Israel's mouth.

Amen to all of that.

Also frustrating to see posters linking to electronic intifada as a serious source on a thread about misinformation. An oxymoron to say the least.

I didn’t say “trust what comes out of Israel’s mouth”… I said “both sides’ claims need serious scrutiny”.

Some people seem to only want to scrutinise the claims of one side. I’ve posted numerous examples of pro-Palestinian sources using faked or miscaptioned footage to support their narrative. Why doesn’t the “crying wolf” rule apply to that side too? Pro-Palestinian sources are just as guilty of misinformation as pro-Israeli ones. Hamas claims need to be treated with a very sceptical eye, no different to the claims of the IDF.

Also frustrating to see posters linking to electronic intifada as a serious source on a thread about misinformation.

Indeed, that website is a shitshow. It's hard to see how anyone could go there and not recognise that it's not a news site but a propaganda site. I remember when Asa Winstanley was kicked out of Labour for antisemitism and the only surprise was that he lasted so long. Perhaps people didn't realise he was a Labour member.

I know that's not what you said and I didn't say you did. It's what I'm saying.

This is a school!!!!!

Shame on anyone justifying what the monsters are doing. Shame on humanity for allowing this to happen.

Where's the outrage???? How is this still possible in 2023???? How? Why?

If you are genuine about objectively discussing and calling out misinformation, then you might want to ditch the Electronic Intifada as your serious source of information.

https://twitter.com/mikekatz/status/1725877371515834507

@æterofax

What does this mean?

Why was my post deleted @MNHQ ? Are we allowed to post from X and Instagram but not from AlJazeera Arabic?

Edit: Just read the explanation given for deleting my post (distressing image). Could you please return my post without the image?

I reported it because I don't believe that distressing images should be posted without any warning on the open site.

I think there's a sensitive image option but I've never used it so I don't know how it works.