Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

PurpleCrocs3 · Today 16:27

x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1725464800157749598?s=46&t=H7RsBMUqqEi6HTuLgy64hg

*"Israel now admits some 200 of the bodies they said were Israelis turned out to be "so badly burned" bodies of "Hamas terrorists"!+

The question then is: who burned them?!?"

Are these bodies from Oct 7th?

Apparently IDF apache helicopters fired at houses where they thought Hamas terrorists were. The houses burnt up. A lot of burning was caused by the IDF, not Hamas.

Some of the Israelis killed were killed as part of the IDF trying to kill terrorists who were in houses with hostages.

They also shot at cars.

I’ll try to find where I read this but it was a week or so ago.

There were also Israeli tanks shooting.
(mentioned in account by Israeli Jasmine Porat):
www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231021-israel-settler-israel-forces-killed-hostages-not-hamas/

There is something here:
“Israeli Apache helicopters killed own soldiers, civilians on 7 October: ReportNew footage corroborates previous reports that say the Israeli military is responsible for many of the Israeli casualties during the first day of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood”
NOV 9, 2023
https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/11993

@PurpleCrocs3 @ScrollingLeaves

It does raid the question of whether Hamas did burn victims like it was reported or if it was the IDF all along.

Yes, I think the more we find out about the truth behind Israel's lies, the more we realise that nothing bad actually happened on 7 October, or at least we begin to understand that most of the damage done was entirely by the IDF.

Blimey, I've heard about rewriting history. But normally people wait more than a few days or weeks to do it.

I am sure it wasn’t just the IDF at all, but more likely a result of all round unpredictability and chaos. There were also ordinary Palestinians who got through and ran amok.

What a horrific thing happened,

This is more about the own fire. I don’t know how to fact check it though.
October 7 testimonies reveal Israel’s military ‘shelling’ Israeli citizens with tanks, missiles - The Grayzone

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

Its unusual at times depending on the different threads that some posts get deleted and then when other posters point out that no guidelines were broken, then it seems it depends more on the admin at the time etc,

https://fullfact.org/news/israeli-helicopter-shooting-civilians-music-festival/

Saw this and thought of this thread.

Here's a bit more on the evidence video the IDF released.

www.instagram.com/p/Czvm1alNwji/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

Do you think the IDF also cut off an 8 years old fingers, sawed off his sister foot, rapped their mother and and cut off her breasts, before killing them all?
What about the baby burnt in a kitchen oven, the IDF too?

I understand what you mean. It's because most of those guidelines are open to interpretation.

What about the baby burnt in a kitchen oven, the IDF too?

deir yassin

Yes, Jeremy Bowen obviously thinks it’s bs, but can’t say so. I think this extract from his report speaks volumes, as does the rest of it.

The evidence Israel has produced, so far, I do not believe to be convincing in terms of the kind of rhetoric Israelis were using about the set-up at the hospital, which suggested this was a nerve centre for the Hamas operation.

If there was a nerve centre there - and there has been speculation about that possibility since 2014 - then the Israelis have not yet revealed definitive evidence of its existence to the outside world.
Jeremy Bowen - BBC website.

Another pro Israel supporter giving explicit gory details. Again. And again.

Thats the issue, how can people have structured debates and presume to follow the guidelines if they are open ended.

part of it could be the sources used to get the evidence, eg undercover operatives and revealing the evidence could reveal the operatives.

Takoneko · Today 21:34

https://fullfact.org/news/israeli-helicopter-shooting-civilians-music-festival/

*Saw this and thought of this thread+

So if this is right those reports about the apache helicopters firing missiles that burnt houses and cars would be wrong.

This is from the link you sent:
”Moreover, survivors do not report any helicopters and say there was a wait for Israeli soldiers to arrive”.

A survivor, Yasmin Porat did describe a lot of shooting and tanks shelling with a report here:
https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861

In that article there is other worrying information:
“Israel’s Haaretz newspaper on 20 October published an interview – only in its Hebrew edition – with a man calle Tuval who lived in Kibbutz Be’eri, but who was away on 7 October. Tuval’s partner was however killed in the events.
Haaretz reports: “According to him [Tuval], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions – including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages – did the IDF [Israeli army] complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed. Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”
This testimony would seem to indicate that many Israeli captives were still alive on Monday, 9 October, Mondoweiss observes, a full two days after the events of Saturday, 7 October”.

But it is evidently impossible to know much with any certainty.

Jeremy Bowen’s report:

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67453105

Is there any report by a reputable source to support that? I have linked to FullFact, who have been meticulously researching claims from both sides and you’ve linked to a website called electric intifada and a link to Haaretz that doesn’t work for me.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-shows-stunt-choreography-not-attack-israeli-women-2023-11-17/ Another good fact check by Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-syrias-tadamon-massacre-shared-showing-gaza-2023-11-17/ This footage was found not to be from Gaza.

And this, like numerous other videos purportedly showing Gazans faking injuries or death is also not from Gaza at all.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/behind-the-scenes-footage-film-shared-palestinians-faking-injuries-2023-11-17/

Yes all part of Israel's lies to justify what they're doing.

There is an active campaign of disinformation by both sides. You’ve started a thread about disinformation but only really seem interested in Israeli disinformation and have been happy to share stuff from sources of very dubious provenance as long as they support the narrative you favour.

What do you think of all the videos being shared that claim to show Israeli atrocities that are actually not from Gaza at all.

A few examples:

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/photo-child-lying-road-yemen-dates-2020-2023-11-17/ This is not a child killed by the IDF.

The father teaching his daughter to laugh at bombs so that she is not afraid… also not Gaza. https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/father-using-laughter-help-daughter-cope-with-bombs-was-syria-not-gaza-2023-11-16/

This is not an IDF soldier and the child was not killed. https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/old-video-security-guard-detaining-child-is-sweden-not-israel-2023-11-10/

This is not footage of an IDF attack on a hospital https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/syria-hospital-attack-footage-falsely-said-be-gaza-2023-2023-11-08/

This is not footage of an Israeli bombing in Gaza https://fullfact.org/online/aerial-footage-bomb-Sudan-not-Gaza/

This child was not rescued from rubble in Gaza https://fullfact.org/online/palestinian-girl-rescue-images/

The IDF did not admit to bombing a hospital https://fullfact.org/news/screenshot-Arabic-IDF-Facebook-post-not-genuine/

We are moving to Israel killed most of the people at the kibbutz, some at the festival and killing only women, children and babies. No Hamas killed, they don't appear to exist, no weapons.
So who fired the thousands of missiles into Israel, who took the hostages, who were raping the women and children...that will be blamed on the Israelis too. Why on earth did those Israelis launch on attack when they killed their own people. The spin and propaganda is getting to the stage that hamas are the good guys and Israel the bad guys. Strange

This one was used by Israel government to say look we’re not killing f as many , they’re pretending to be death when they’re not! Until it was proof what you’ve linked

I’m really sorry but I don’t understand what you mean here. I know the video was shared with a misleading caption by pro-Israeli social media accounts to try to imply that Palestinians were “faking” death or injury. That’s why I posted it. It is an example of disinformation that has now been debunked.