After this there will be silence

[notsoready4school]

Are we really just going to just let this happen. I was upset about the protest ban in France but at least he has finally spoken up. When is the UK going to finally say something and stop letting this happen in our name.

This is the moment we have been warning the whole world the Gaza Deputy Health Minister Dr. Youssef Abu Alreesh, currently inside al-Shifa Hospital as it is takes heavy fire from Israeli forces.
Here are his translated comments:

• This is the moment we have been warning the whole world of, all generators are off, all power sources are out.
• We have 39 newborns in the incubators, those babies are fighting against death.
• No one is able to move around the compound, snipers are stationed all over the place in addition to the drones that target and kill any moving person.
• A few minutes ago one of the engineering team was hit by a sniper, he was hit in the neck and was paralysed and he’s now about to die.
• Part of the hospital was shelled and part of the building caught fire, we fear it will engulf the whole compound.
• A few families tried to leave but they were targeted; now they are lying dead outside the hospital. We cannot get to them.
• We are totally stranded, we are cut off from the outside world, and above all, we are left without any medical resources. We cannot even bury the dead.
• Ferocious gunfire can be heard within the vicinity of the hospital, the intensive care unit received a mortar shell a few minutes ago.
• Blood is everywhere, on the floor, we cannot even clean it.
• In the past, the Israeli killing machine was killing and this was conveyed on TV screens. Now they are perpetrating the same killing but no one is listening, no one is watching, the whole world is standing by.
• We are speaking with whatever is left of my phone battery, after that, we will be silent.

@Girahim only several dozen times.

@notsoready4school perhaps your friend should have pushed it in school like the Jewish boys mother? Made a fuss and make sure it was put down as Islamophobia. Or she could have reported it to the police or ofsted if she felt it wasn't dealt with adequately.

I have read your answers twice and actually your comments/ the Standard journalists comments xenias comments all say the same thing and address my very not antisemitic question. That is that the fact that he has a wife who is Jewish (and who has family in Israel) does contribute to forming his opinion / views on this conflict. This is, he is ´affected’. No one tells anyone to be ‘affected’ by something. You are simple affected by your experiences. Drawing comparisons to lobbying or other tropes is really uncalled for and not relevant here. No one is suggesting she tells him how to run his party or married him to get close to politics. But this is what I mean that you are just looking for anything to call out as antisemitic.

personally I agree with the poster earlier that it’s probably more likely he is just playing it politically for votes rather than having strong convictions either way. He doesn’t seem to have convictions in general.

The Islamaphobic incident happened before this one and at the time the school spoke to the boy involved and addressed it. She is a hijab wearing black woman so unfortunately racism/sexism is something she experiences too often and doesn’t report. She didn’t even think that she could report it to someone, she just accepted that the school has addressed it. The point is that it didn’t get reported as an incident in any body that logs Islamophobia stats. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

@notsoready4school sigh, ok. You've learned nothing. Fine. Let's leave it at that with regards to Keir Starmer.

What land exactly did your friend's son want Israel to give back to the Palestinians? The answer will determine whether or not the comment was anti-Semitic.

I did make the same comment about Hamza Yusef and no one did shout it down simply because it is obvious and I believe he has been open about being affected by his experiences.

As has Keir Starmer in the JC article.

anyway you can call it what you want, I have had thanks for my clarifications and talented reasoned responses but yes you go ahead and call it what you want.

The word affect has no implications of control in it. If you are reasonably fluent in English you should know that.

I have no idea. He is 11 years old and probably is only parroting what he has heard. He isn’t Hamas and so like most mainstream people in the UK is probably referring to the occupation. But yes no one asked him to clarify but happily reported as did you lot.
To be honest even if he had clarified given my experience here I’m guessing it would have been reported anyway. When in doubt report it is probably the approach being taken.

Two different posters responded saying it would be islamophobic.

Ok so you have no idea if he did say something anti-Semitic, yet you're assuming it was incorrectly classed as anti-Semitic? And then you go on to assume that even if he'd clarified he was only talking about the West Bank, he'd still be accused of anti-Semitism? That's an awful lot of assumptions.

@notsoready4school not a very good school if she feels she can't address Islamophobia toward her own son and treat her differently because she is black and hijab wearing... or pick up a phone.
And yet you know everything about the other incident... who phoned.... how far it went. Do you work there?
Strange that.

Exactly my point, better to report it and then worry about accuracy. Thanks for making my point for me.

This is all news from her.

And how openly ignorant of you to not know about the daily racism and bias black Muslim women experience. Nice victim blaming

Oh and actually anti Zionist is not the same thing as antisemitism as there are definitely some Jewish groups that are anti zionist religious reasons.

It should not have been reported as antisemitism either way.

Of course it should have been reported as anti-semitism if her son was saying all of Israel should have been returned to the Palestinians.

I realise you think you've dug your way out of this one, but you haven't. You can be anti-Semitic and anti-zionist, you can be Jewish and anti-zionist and (Shock! Horror!) you can be Jewish and anti-Semitic. I know, crazy right?!

Of course. Conflating them ALL works vey well for the stats

Genuinely laughing at this now. So ridiculous.

For someone who has complained about me not knowing enough English to know what "affect" means, I would've thought you'd be well up on your own English and comprehension skills? Clearly not. Oh well.

So why do you think there is increased security in synagogues and Jewish schools then? Is it just those pesky Jews being sensitive and exaggerating again? All these stats saying it's increasing are a lie, which you know based on the account of your friends child

To be fair reporting a comment about Israel as a hate crime but thinking a comment that Muslims are terrorists is ok is a double standard.

I thought we weren’t supposed to equate Jewish people with Israel anyway.

Of course it should have been reported as anti-semitism if her son was saying all of Israel should have been returned to the Palestinians

Some land should be returned to be fair. Not all.

Anti Zionism rather than antisemitism perhaps.

It has occurred to me this morning that you and a few of the other posters who are drawing comparisons to Hamza Yusuf inconsistently are genuinely confusing the word ‘effect’ with ‘affect’.

Cause and ‘effect’. The effect of the attacks was to start an all out war. Here there is a direct correlation from the attacks to the war and hence you can attribute the actions singly to the attack.

’affect’ The teacher told the students that coursework will also affect the overall results. Here it is a contributing factor. It is not the only factor but it will influence the outcomes of students.

The articles, your statements, Xenias comments have repeatedly affirmed that you do believe he is ‘affected’ by his experiences. However you are adamant his position is not the net result (effect) of his wife’s views. I agree with you.

@Humdingerydoo sorry this was for you. Also the others who seem to be confusing themselves in the First Minister example. To say it is the ‘effect’ is wrong but not that he is ‘affected’

Are we still on this question????

Yes, some land should, eg settlers should up and leave. But if the friend's son said all of Israel should become Palestine, that would also be anti-Semitic, not "just" anti-zionist. That's all I'm saying. Op has no clue what her friend's son said but is still adamant he didn't say anything wrong. Without any evidence for that whatsoever. I'm trying to explain that it's a ridiculous stance to take if you don't know the facts, which none of us do.

@notsoready4school I don't think any of us need an English lesson from you 🤦🏻‍♀️ Are you this condescending to people in real life too?

The only one getting confused by all this is you. You're so adamant you're right that you're running in circles and confusing yourself and no longer know what you even believe in. It's tiresome. I'm done talking about this with you as you've already said you will keep going with your anti-semitic rhetoric and no one is going to stop you. There is no reasoning with the unreasonable. So I'm out.

@Humdingerydoo But if the friend's son said all of Israel should become Palestine, that would also be anti-Semitic, not "just" anti-zionist. That's all I'm saying.
Even if they believed that Jewish people can still live there?
I'm not saying that's what I think should happen just that I didn't know that would be considered Anti-semitic

Only because I know there's quite a few people including many politicians who believe the whole area including the occupied West bank and Gaza should be Israel but some palestinians can continue living there but under Israeli sovereign
For example the Israeli ambassador to the UK. She has stated that before

Yes, some land should, eg settlers should up and leave. But if the friend's son said all of Israel should become Palestine, that would also be anti-Semitic, not "just" anti-zionist

Genuine (please note: genuine) question
Why?

We’ve been told time and time again a lot of Jewish people aren’t interested in Israel and shouldn’t be expected to have an opinion on Israel and are nothing to do with Israel but suddenly criticism of Israel is antisemitic?