After this there will be silence

[notsoready4school]

Are we really just going to just let this happen. I was upset about the protest ban in France but at least he has finally spoken up. When is the UK going to finally say something and stop letting this happen in our name.

This is the moment we have been warning the whole world the Gaza Deputy Health Minister Dr. Youssef Abu Alreesh, currently inside al-Shifa Hospital as it is takes heavy fire from Israeli forces.
Here are his translated comments:

• This is the moment we have been warning the whole world of, all generators are off, all power sources are out.
• We have 39 newborns in the incubators, those babies are fighting against death.
• No one is able to move around the compound, snipers are stationed all over the place in addition to the drones that target and kill any moving person.
• A few minutes ago one of the engineering team was hit by a sniper, he was hit in the neck and was paralysed and he’s now about to die.
• Part of the hospital was shelled and part of the building caught fire, we fear it will engulf the whole compound.
• A few families tried to leave but they were targeted; now they are lying dead outside the hospital. We cannot get to them.
• We are totally stranded, we are cut off from the outside world, and above all, we are left without any medical resources. We cannot even bury the dead.
• Ferocious gunfire can be heard within the vicinity of the hospital, the intensive care unit received a mortar shell a few minutes ago.
• Blood is everywhere, on the floor, we cannot even clean it.
• In the past, the Israeli killing machine was killing and this was conveyed on TV screens. Now they are perpetrating the same killing but no one is listening, no one is watching, the whole world is standing by.
• We are speaking with whatever is left of my phone battery, after that, we will be silent.

Was that directed at me? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

I guess it’s directed at you or anyone else who can explain to why the act of questioning the impartiality of Keir Starmer given his and his wife’s religious position is antisemitic.

i don’t think there is any question that the Scottish First ministers position regarding Gaza is affected by his / his wife’s religious belief. I also don’t think he would shout Islamophobia if it was linked to it (although difficult to distinguish given it could just be humanity ) Why is it wrong to wonder about the biases of Keir Starmer. A lot of Jewish people were affected on 7/10, same were Israelis but not all and Hamas’s position is anti- Jews not just anti - Israelis.

i don’t follow why questioning the biases of a politicians would be a rascist thing to do. Especially if Israel is the Jewish homeland and his wife is Jewish.

Yes. Only 31 babies were transferred
The other babies have all died due to lack of medication and power.
May they now rest in peace.

If someone suggested that the only reason for Humza Yousef's stance is his wife's religion then yes I'd class that as Islamophobic.

Most people are affected by their spouse's background - it is just inevitable but I am sure politician in the UK try not to let that interfere with their duties whether that is K Stamer, the politician with the Chinese wife - forgotten his name and the Scottish leader. The fact all these people have, in a sense, "mixed" marriages is illustrative of the tolerance and greatness of the UK, that we don't all sit in silos listening to only one view. Same on MN. I can go on threads with my pro Israel views and I am not arrested. Those who do not support Israel can voice their views to me. It is very very different in other parts of the world which are not free. Our freedoms in the UK are worth fighting for.

I see the IDF has thankfully managed to get to the homes, luxury apartments of senior Hamas people today and got access to their lap tops, tunnels in that area etc. When Hamas is no using its people as human shields and we hit Hamas where it hurts will be a good day.

The difference is that Humza Yousef's wife's family were actually in Gaza and almost didn't get out alive. So it's not his wife's religion that's the issue, it's that their family have been directly, personally affected. Even then, I'd be careful about suggesting that makes him entirely incapable of viewing the situation with any objectivity, as I think that's heading toward islamophia.

Saying, 'Of course Kier Starmer is on the Israeli's side because his wife is Jewish' (not Isreali) is just antisemtic.

I was shouted down as antisemitic for this comment:

’Do you think having a Jewish wife affects Starmers position ?’

this is very different from what you are describing. Anyway thank you for your answer, I was clearly not being antisemitic in that case

You said

I guess it’s directed at you or anyone else who can explain to why the act of questioning the impartiality of Keir Starmer given his and his wife’s religious position is antisemitic.

It very clear what you’re saying.

Yup exactly what I said. Thanks

Because you are judging him based on the face his wife is Jewish. She's not even Israeli.

But then you also think Jewish people are brainwashed going by your deleted thread. Maybe she's brainwashing him?

I suppose I more apt comparison would be the suggestion that Humza Yousef is not impartial in his foreign policy towards Muslim countries because his wife is a Muslim. Which would be ridiculous.

They've now found the tunnel under the hospital, that the UN has known about for years. So, why all the denial for the past few days? Why else would Israel get themselves involved in a military operation in a hospital? For the good publicity?

Israel arrives at the hospital with incubators and arranges an evacuation. What has Hamas given to their people? F all - except a tunnel full of military equipment under a hospital. When your government is so bad that the invading army of the enemy treats you better, that's bad!

I don't understand, are you still saying you clearly weren't being anti-semitic even though multiple posters have explained why what you said was, in fact, anti-Semitic? Or are you accepting that what you said was anti-Semitic but that you didn't mean it to be?

Your question was 100% anti-Semitic, so just thought it was worth clarifying wether or not you have learned from this.

Netanyahu might win this battle but he may have lost his people the war. They had so much sympathy after October 7th which they have lost by tuning Gaza into an effective concentration camp. The stupidest thing to do given their own history. Europe and the USA are becoming less Christian so fewer people will feel common cause with the Jews. Another trump presidency is possible which could lead to an implosion of the USA, their greatest ally, anyway.

So is the consensus that this Jewish chap is going as far as being antisemitic?

Note I only asked whether having a Jewish wife influenced his position - this guy has gone further in a mainstream paper without anyone even calling him to revoke the article as antisemitic.

“The Labour leader’s political nous will also be informed by his personal life. His resolution to stand firm will be stiffened by having a Jewish wife and relatives. I know how this particular situation feels and, as an outsider, how the war with Hamas has had a profound effect on individuals and the community in London and beyond. I don’t doubt Starmer feels the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza acutely too.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/keir-starmer-reasons-support-israel-jewish-wife-victoria-family-b1117688.html

Thé act of questioning the biases/perspectives/experiences of our leaders in forming their views is not anti anything. It is just admitting they are human and can and do have biases.

@firstpasttheposter yes why would TERRORISTS bring hostages to al shifa when they know it will be targeted and there is a good chance it will be leaked to the Israeli intelligence?
Because they run al shifa....
Also Noa Marciano pathology report and the footage Hamas posted show she was murdered in al shifa

You know where the medical director didn't see anything....

Not sure I follow the logic but despite most pro Israeli people believing the evidence for Israel attacking hospitals is justified, the rest of the world (even the most right wing news sites) don’t so far. But they are based on the evidence shared by IDF rather than ‘beliefs’

@notsoready4school and Hamas admitted to it....

It's awful that anyone could even try to justify bombing a hospital. The IDF's treatment of those patients and medical staff was horrendous, and they did it knowing how disgusted most of the world is by what's happening. That's the scary part - they don't seem to care.

Where were your protests when Russia set about destroying the Ukraine civilian infrastructure of schools and hospitals etc? Where is your ourtrage for the massacre at the peace festival? Where is your outrage for the unguided rocket attacks that continue to regularly fall on Israeli civilians? Or do you think that Ukraine and Israel non compbatants deserve it? Fellow travellers all. The long march through the institutions is nearly over having destroyed education and the ability to reason.

Why were we going to protest for Ukrainians when our government supported them? ... That makes no sense.

Why can't we be outraged about the deaths of so many innocent children? Why does that offend you? That's very worrying.

Uff this again. The western governments including ours has not sided with any of those perpetrators.

He's not Jewish, his wife is. But well done on trying to justify your anti-semitism rather than just accepting that you said something you shouldn't have and then learning from it 😳

Yes, I do think it's wrong that he's saying that Keir Starmer is partly being influenced by his wife. Starmer might be more aware of events himself because his wife is Jewish, he's presumably seen how his immediate family is affected by anti-Semitism every time something happens in the ME, but it's wrong to assume she is influencing him just because she's Jewish. He has eyes and a brain of his own, he can make his own decisions and draw his own conclusions.

Do you think having a Jewish wife affects Starmers position ?

I think it will a spouse has some influence on people whether that be the Scottish leader's wife or the UK politician with the Chinese wife etc, but not in any complete kind of way. Just like British judges decide based on the law not their personal preference so most UK politicians wll try to be objective and take decisions not based on a nationality or religion of their spouse or indeed their own religion or nationality.