People who don't support ceasefire

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and back Israel's bombing of Gaza.

Are they racist?

Casualty figures are supplied only by the Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry, which makes no distinction between terrorists and civilians.
The IDF is also operating within the laws of armed conflict, doing its best to minimise civilian casualties, including by warning people to leave areas it is about to attack. Since this war began, it has dropped 1.5 million flyers, sent six million voice messages, 4 million text messages – and made phone calls on top of all that. Despite these efforts, many civilians have died in Gaza. This is tragic, but unavoidable when Hamas hides within civilian populations, often forcing them to remain in areas that are to be attacked.
(from a Telegraph article published today)

The IDF is also operating within the laws of armed conflict, doing its best to minimise civilian casualties, including by warning people to leave areas it is about to attack.

With all respect but this is a delusional comment.

Delusional because it's in the contract to the assessment of
the UN
The International Criminal Court
Human Rights Watch
The International Committee of the Red Cross

And Amnesty International

I strongly doubt that the IDF is doing its best to restrict civilian casualties. Token gestures perhaps, for the world stage.

At the same time, Hamas appears to be doing its best to maximise them.

The whole situation is just horrendous.

The UN and Amnesty have a long, long history of bias against Israel. I haven't researched the others.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43554877

https://www.ajc.org/news/amnestys-outrageous-lie-its-big-problem-with-jews-and-the-truth-about-israel

There is concrete evidence of these millions of flyers, text messages and voice messages employed by the IDF. There is also concrete evidence of Hamas using tunnels under children's beds and hospitals, and deliberately preventing civilians from fleeing.

Where is your evidence that the IDF is not seeking to restrict civilian casualties, please?

I didn't say that they weren't seeking to restrict civilian casualties at all, I said I strongly doubted they were making their best effort to do so. Evidence being the growing alarm about their methods in the international community.

Agreed

Does anyone seriously believe that the attacks in Gaza are in any way helping to protect the Jewish homeland? Every airstrike on civilians is probably created dozens of new Hamas recruits. The only way to make Israel a more difficult target for terrorists is to engage in a peace process.

Also, question - how is Palestine allowed to defend itself? I'm really confused what the answer to this is supposed to be. Clearly the actions of Hamas are beyond horrific and cannot be accepted as legitimate self-defence. So what is the Palestinian self-defence route? They have seen children, women, elderly, killed regularly by the IDF for years but have no legitimate way of responding.

As @keffie12 said "what does KS wifes religion have to do with anything"
My DH is Jewish - we've had some very heated discussions in the last month - we agree on very little in this situation& it's caused us great conflict

Also, question - how is Palestine allowed to defend itself? I'm really confused what the answer to this is supposed to be. Clearly the actions of Hamas are beyond horrific and cannot be accepted as legitimate self-defence. So what is the Palestinian self-defence route? They have seen children, women, elderly, killed regularly by the IDF for years but have no legitimate way of responding.

Hamas are the ruling party of Gaza so if you're talking about self-defense, you're basically talking about Hamas. And they are fighting back - they have been firing a barrage of rockets into Israel since the 7th of October, they use RPGs and there is now actual boots on the ground conflict in Gaza as the IDF advance.

It is NOT in the best interests of Gazans. Hamas can't win directly against Israel so all this does is prolong the conflict and the civilian deaths.

I didn't say that. I made the comment that KS wife is Jewish, so it's a difficult one for KS.

Someone else asked me what KS's wife religion got to do with it: I said his wife is Jewish and shared the link of proof.

The person who replied to me thought KS wife was Hindu.

I think she was getting mixed up with Sunak wife whose Jewish.

@keffie12 sorry for confusion - I've had one of those days, and a lot of discussions about this.
Someone "expected" me to support my husband's views after 7/10 BECAUSE he's Jewish... almost as if I didn't have my own views, which are somewhat different from his

Starmer’s wife being Jewish has a lot to do with his stance, anyone who thinks otherwise is naive.

I think this point about Hamas cannot be stated enough. The second in command in in interview basically said Hamas had no responsibility for Gazans as 75% of them are refugees so they are Unwra and Israels problem. Utterly callous, they will not lift a finger to help Gazans in any way.

😂

According to Douglas Murray (not an unbiased source, admittedly), some of the Gazans attempting to flee were slaughtered by Hamas as punishment for trying to leave, and not by Israel's bombing, as was originally reported.

@Itllbefine6 yes there was a whole video circulating on this which showed a road leading to the North with dead bodies all along it which had clearly been shot, Yesterday the IDF were asked about this and they confirmed it was them but they were shooting Hamas. I believe some of them need to get their eyes tested unless they believe the children that they shot were Hamas too

So, the IDF now says they shot those people, not Hamas?

Bearing this in mind that Hamas do not care about their citizens, they don't help them and in fact use them. So why on a pro Palestine march are the 2 brave individuals who try to protest against Hamas shut down, intimidated? Why don't people see how awful Hamas are for Palestine and protest against them when supporting Palestinian people . It's strange.

Yes, it's on BBC news

How can they possibly know which are Hamas members? Were they armed?

How can they possibly know which are Hamas members? Were they armed?

With great difficulty:

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1723897129268072934

@Itllbefine6 I don't know what your views are, but at this point it's very clear that the IDF are taking either none or at best very little care in avoiding civilian casualties. There's only so far Israel can carry on shouting 'human shields'
There are some very real concerns in the way Israel has conducted this war and is continuing to do so. I hope Netanyahu is prosecuted

Most would assume children are not