People who don't support ceasefire

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and back Israel's bombing of Gaza.

Are they racist?

And just one more comment on all this before I take a few days off as the hate on here is really getting to me -

I have seen so many posters on here saying "just because we support Palestinians doesn't mean we support Hamas. However, their actions are understandable as they've been oppressed for so long". Or words to this effect. Basically, the Israeli deaths last month were collateral damage in their fight for freedom.

Why can't pro-Israelis have that same benefit of the doubt? We don't support the killing of innocent people, we just support Israel's right to exist. In order to exist, it needs to defend itself against, amongst others, Hamas.

It doesn't mean we necessarily support anything else going on in Israel such as settlers in the West Bank. It doesn't mean we are glad they're bombing Gaza. It just means we support Israel in its fight against Hamas and other terrorists.

It sure as hell doesn't make us racist or value some lives more than others. We don't. At least in my case (I obviously can't speak for everyone else) I look forward to there one day being a Palestinian state next to Israel, and them living in peace, side by side. That's what I want. That just will never happen with Hamas or other terrorists around. It also seemingly won't happen with Netanyahu around, so he needs to go too.

I believe that the more quickly Israel achieves their military objective, the more quickly this active phase of the conflict, with it's dreadful cost of civilian lives, will be over.
Ceasefires and pauses are tricky as there's clearly a need to get humanitarian aid to those in need, move the injured etc, but this needs to somehow be done without giving Hamas any tactical advantages that extends the fighting.

More broadly, after 7 October, Israel doesn't have any option other than to remove Hamas as leaders of Gaza and dismantle their tunnels and other infrastructure. It's an imperfect solution at best as it won't put a stop to the ideology but there will no longer be an organisation capable of planning and implementing attacks of that size.

No they are not racist, they just want to prevent the state of Israel being obliterated and yet another murderous attack on Jews.

It's the state of Palestine that looks more likely to be obliterated though isn't it?

Israel's actions speak - when someone shows you who they are , believe them , not their carefully chosen words

It is the stated aim of Hamas, the PLA, Iran and many other players in this war to obliterate Israel. This was reaffirmed a week ago.

This is how war works, one side wins. Which is why it’s not a good idea to start them.

No, not racist. Just people who can see why Israel might deem it necessary to get rid of terrorists once and for all though. And anyway, I thought it had been established on previous threads that it's not just Muslims in Gaza?

Yes, the right to defend itself and the right to eradicate terrorists can be perceived as a strong argument.

But UN chief says that "there is something wrong with Israel tactics".
UN experts call for ceasefire as Palestinians are "at grave risk of genocide".

What astounds me is that quite a few people here are happy with mass killing of thousands of innocent civilians.
They are minority but they are quite open about it.

You have to be prejudiced if you don't mind the "collateral damage" of thousands of dead children and hundreds of children dying under the rubble.

Surely it wouldn't be acceptable to bomb people in Western European countries?
Dead children lying on the streets of Paris, Berlin or London?

You have to believe that Palestinian people are somehow lees valuable or complicit and therefore deserve collective punishment.

Israel's actions speak - when someone shows you who they are , believe them , not their carefully chosen words

That is what Hamas did on October 7. They have since verbally doubled down on it too - their goal is the destruction of Israel and they want to keep attacking them. It meant there was never scope for negotiation instead of conflict. The Hamas leaders have no motivation for that. They live safe, affluent lives in Qatar, funded by the money intended for Gazan civilians and the proceeds of Hamas' mafia-style racket in Gaza. They have explicitly stated they are happy for Gazans to be martyrs.

Their foot soldiers on the ground have done their best to prevent people getting to safer areas. As well as the roadside IDE (initially reported as an Israeli airstrike) I have seen footage of them shooting a group of people attempting to head south. It took the arrival of Israeli tanks to facilitate safe passage from certain areas although that was framed as ethnic cleansing by Israel.

Surely it wouldn't be acceptable to bomb people in Western European countries?

In the Second World War there was devastating bombing of civilians in Western Europe. Nowadays, there is debate over whether that was justified of course. It was less justified than the current military campaign in Gaza because many targets were purely civilian, rather than military targets in civilian areas as in Gaza.

But no I don’t agree that everyone against a cease fire is racist. Some may be, most probably just understand that war is complex.

No i don't think that they are all racist.
I do think that some people are quite comfortable with a genocide of the palestinians for the supposed 'greater good' of Israel

If you think Hamas would respect a ceasefire, you're spectacularly naive.

And if you think Iran-backed Hamas will stop at Israel, you're wrong

When Netanyahu openly referred to the Amalek before the war
I don't understand how people can't see that Israel absolutely does not care about the Palestinians.

God commands King Saul in the first Book of Samuel to kill every person in Amalek, a rival nation to ancient Israel. “This is what the Lord Almighty says,” the prophet Samuel tells Saul. “‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

In the Second World War there was devastating bombing of civilians in Western Europe. Nowadays, there is debate over whether that was justified of course.

That was 80 years ago. The atrocities of the Seond World War are the reason we have the Geneva Convention now.

The UN has said “there is already clear evidence that war crimes may have been committed” by Hamas and the Israeli military since 7 October and that it is gathering evidence for potential prosecutions.

Russia has recently committed war crimes but that’s old news.

There have been bombing campaigns in Europe far more recently than the second world war, try the 1990s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

It's not to do with the religion - his wife is from a Jewish background. Jewish background means original roots of Israel. His wife has family who live in Israel

Yes two former international prosecutors have called on the ICC to issue arrest warrants for members of the Israeli military and government for 'indiscriminate bombing in urban areas'

It's funny how many people try to school us on here
It's not ethnic cleansing, it's not indiscriminate, it can't be a genocide
As if they know better than the professionals who have years of experience who are calling it that
And we are just simply brainwashed

The UN are great in many ways but they are clearly not impartial on this.

Jewish background means original roots of Israel

It doesn’t inevitably, unless you’re talking about millennia ago. Equating all Jews with the state of Israel is racist. But I agree that Judaism is obviously not just a religion.

What I posted was in regards to the ICC
They are different to the UN

And ofcourse they have also asked for Hamas aswell. But that's more clear, hostage taking and killing civilians. Nobody can argue with that it's a clear cut crime.

But many seems to think Israel is either right, or its a 'grey' area
When there are some actions that Israel have carried out that are also clear cut wrong

It’s unfair to insist on separating Hamas from “ordinary Gazans” yet also keep talking about Israel as a single, stupid, malevolent entity.

Thanks to social media, we can see the impact of war and naturally react with “This is horrible – it must stop.”

The question is: How to stop it? Negotiate with a terrorist group that plans more 7 Oct attacks, and whose ultimate goal is global expansion? Where will that lead? And I’m not just thinking about the safety of Israel. Hamas are as dangerous to the Gazan people as a metastatic cancer, and as deeply embedded (literally and metaphorically).

In my dreams, I single-handedly stop the war by gently persuading Gazans to herd Hamas and their supporters into a large concrete bunker, and then I chuck in about 90 million grenades and shut the door, and we all have a street party to celebrate the safe and happy world we all share with them gone. I only wish it were that simple…!

As a very basic simple answer if we were to focus solely on the war and nothing else, although you are correct that it would be impossible to separate them fully.
And that everyone did expect some civilian casualties, it's a war ofcourse there would have been but there are two major issues

1. Obstructing and continuing to obstruct life saving aid
2. Totally indiscriminate bombing, so none or very very little measures taken to ensure civilians are not hit

Now we can argue this back and forth but I think at the absolute minimum this can be agreed on
You can even see that the US are slowly starting to acknowledge this too. And coming from Israels greatest of most powerful ally is really not a good sign.
Netanyahu is clearly being reckless. He knows his days are numbered and seems like he is so filled with anger and revenge he is beyond the point of caring
I do think that if Israel had a better government the outcome to this war would be different to what we are seeing now