What are the people "Marching" in London every Saturday realistically hoping to achieve?

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It won't change UK government policy. It won't result in a ceasefire in Gaza. It won't magically resolve the situation in Palestine.

Same as all the other big marches - War in Iraq etc. Changed nothing.

I agree, it is just unsettling how people are ignoring this fact. People go on about them being for a ceasefire, but they started before that and in response to Israeli's being murdered, kidnapped and other hideous things. I just can;t understand why people don't see this and question the purpose of them.

I just don’t understand the initial response in the days immediately following the 7 October attack.

Well, you do. Unpalatable though it is, there were celebrations; people celebrated barbaric murders of people in Israel. And the first march was simply pro-Palestine regardless of those murders and anti Israel.

Interesting piece from Stephen Pollard there, @Jupitersstorm, especially his reference to the hate marches beginning before Israel even reacted to 7/10.
It reminds me of the celebrations after 9/11, and at least in my own city the police did nothing about those either

There's also the recent statement to the effect that the Met will approach the Home Secretary if their resources are found to be insufficient to deal with criminality on the marches, but not until that point - which to me sounds horribly like an intention to stand aside and trade blame only afterwards

What we were seeing is the strength of feeling around the Palestinians being an 'oppressed people'. In the years coming up to the massacre I've seen far more criticism of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians in the Gaza strip and the West Bank, than I have support for Israel in the ongoing conflict. Not just in the marches, but in the reaction of some commentators (eg. former adviser to Jeremy Corbyn) the message was something like 'Well, that was awful and we don't agree with it, but what do you expect if you oppress people for decades?' And 'Israel must not be permitted to collectively punish an already oppressed people'.

I don't think people in the West understand the difficulty Israel faces. That's not to say I think they are completely innocent. But the reaction of Israel was something more along the lines of 'Now you see what we're up against? Now you see why we cannot trust these people, treat them as equals, or come to a political settlement?'. But people don't see. They just take it for granted that their neighbours won't kill them, and can't see that this trust is the basis of our freedoms. They think that we have freedoms because we're nice people, and that's just not the case.

@ScribblingPixie

you’re quite right- I do understand and could have expressed this better. I can understand it but I can’t reconcile or accept the justification for that initial response.

When the US who were the strongest backers of this war and the greatest Israeli ally starts criticising then its time you realised how serious this is
I can't emphasise this enough
Netanyahu is a mad man. And even if you say yes well I don't agree with him but he is the man in charge of conducting this war!
How much clearer does it have to be

I have been following this war closely from the first day
I believe I have read the majority of the statements the US have made from the first day till now, and have seen the change from open and unwavering support to subtle nudges to now open direct criticism.
Take it how you will but that above statement by Blinken is a big red flag that things are actually much worse than we even know

The Fail has a link to the actual interview on Twitter where they said it.

@HaveALaff

"Israel supported Hamas to divide the government in Gaza. They provided Hamas with permits for Gazan citizens so they could work. What was their motive behind this move? To have an excuse to destroy Gazans?"

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Their motive behind giving work permits to Gaza's citizens is simply to access cheaper labour than employing Israelis, something that most countries do including the UK.

There is no conspiracy just economics. Why is that so hard to understand?

You can't counter a post by just insulting the other person otherwise it just turns into a rant of I'm right and you are wrong.

Try to deconstruct the post using evidence and facts.

And unpalatable as it is we need to recognise that amongst many of the protesters there is deep seated or unconscious hatred of Jewish people.

The death toll now exceeds 11 thousand deaths with a staggering 4506 children
A ceasefire is desperately needed right now
Even those who disagree can surely see why an increasing amount of people are calling for one

The situation in Gaza right now is catastrophic
You are going to say well there she goes again bleating the same thing over again but as each day goes by it is becoming more and more apparent that this war is heading into something that there may be no coming back from

yes you are repeating the same thing, which I don't think many have disagreed with! I think the majority on this thread have also said they want a ceasefire or a different approach. This is about the actual marches in the UK.

@Iwantcakeeveryday Actually there are many on here who say a ceasefire shouldn't happen but point taken its probably better to post on a different thread 👍

Please could you keep your comments on topic, as this thread is about what the marchers hope to achieve. Otherwise the thread will be derailed.

Thank you.

Yes it does appear that way doesn't it.
It is bewildering that these marches are allowed to continue in their present vein - that is some holding blatantly anti semitic placards, chanting from "the river to the sea" and "Jihad" - which everybody knows even if they choose not to admit it -that these call for a destruction of Israel.

Suella realises and hence my admiration for her - especially as today is the anniversary of Kristallnacht and everything is very sensitive for the Jewish community.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

Netanyahu at the time vocalised that his intentions were to remove the Palestinian authority from power as they were moving towards a two state solution being established. This is even written in an Israelii article. People who have been following this for years will know that there was great concern when Hamas were receiving exclusive deals from the Israeli government and the Palestinian authority were not. Why would you support a group that is opposes Israelis so much? Why would you not support the more peaceful group?

We have seen these tactics used before in other wars. Prop up the terrorist group, then destroy the region, take the wealth/land and leave.

Nobody is calling for the destruction of Israel. People are protesting for a ceasefire. Stop spreading hate.

@HaveALaff

"Nobody is calling for the destruction of Israel. People are protesting for a ceasefire. Stop spreading hate."

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Well Hamas are calling for the destruction of Israel for a start;

This is from the Hamas Charter

"The Covenant proclaims that Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden. The documents promote holy war as divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children."

Source: Wikipedia

From the river to the sea was originally in the Likud party founding charter was it not?
Isn't that where it first originated from?

Ie there would be no palestine but the whole area would only be Israel
This was long before Hamas came about

the phrase was used by the Israeli ruling Likud party as part of their 1977 platform which stated "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" and does not recognise the right for a Palestinian state to exist

I agree with you but the college kids on here won't even understand what you've written in your previous post.

🙄predictable as night following day.