Free the Hostages

[petuniasandpetals]

Ceasefire will happen if the hostages are freed. So why not shout and protest this instead?

[Mirandathepandaisontheverandah]

Protest in London demanding the release of hostages -

https://news.sky.com/video/israel-hamas-war-protesters-in-london-call-for-release-of-hostages-held-in-gaza-12990763

Protest in Geneva -

https://www.reuters.com/world/outside-un-geneva-empty-chairs-symbolise-hostages-taken-by-hamas-2023-10-26/

Protest in New York-

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-york-city-rally-planned-demand-release-hamas-hostages-2023-10-19/

I am also not aware of anyone saying that there will be a ceasefire once the hostages are released.

[CampsieGlamper]

It's against The Narrative.

Better to support homophobic, misogynistic imperialists.

[BarelyCoping123]

You're being deliberately disingenuous in both your points, @Mirandathepandaisontheverandah

[Mirandathepandaisontheverandah]

@BarelyCoping123 how so?

[millymollymoomoo]

Unfortunately most people protesting have no idea what they are protesting it supporting. It’s sickening. People do t know the history or reality of the brutality under Hamas. They are ISIS by another name who don’t want a two state solution. They want complete annihilation of Jews in Israel and all over. You think they’ll stop at Israel? They are a brutal state who have used their own people as shields, siphoned humanitarian aid away from the people to instead build times to launch misiles into Isreal on a daily basis.
wonrn have zero rights. Gays are killed. No freedom of press or speech, wear wrong clothes as a woman? Stoned or killed. How anyone can be out on the streets effectively supporting them makes me sick

of course, having sympathy for innocent children in Gaza caught up is one thing and something we should all be looking at ways for the international community to help, but a ceasefire is not it. Supporting Hamas is not it!

and yes more needs to be focussed on getting these hostages freed and talking about the brutality and reality of hamas. People are blind to the truth .

[Rubbishagain]

@millymollymoomoo

Unfortunately most people protesting have no idea what they are protesting it supporting. It’s sickening. People do t know the history or reality of the brutality under Hamas. They are ISIS by another name who don’t want a two state solution. They want complete annihilation of Jews in Israel and all over. You think they’ll stop at Israel? They are a brutal state who have used their own people as shields, siphoned humanitarian aid away from the people to instead build times to launch misiles into Isreal on a daily basis.
wonrn have zero rights. Gays are killed. No freedom of press or speech, wear wrong clothes as a woman? Stoned or killed. How anyone can be out on the streets effectively supporting them makes me sick

of course, having sympathy for innocent children in Gaza caught up is one thing and something we should all be looking at ways for the international community to help, but a ceasefire is not it. Supporting Hamas is not it!

and yes more needs to be focussed on getting these hostages freed and talking about the brutality and reality of hamas. People are blind to the truth .

This is purely a humanitarian issue where a genocide is being carried out against thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians. Schools hospitals and universities are being destroyed. Israel has the most advanced equipment in the world and should be able to locate targets easily without indiscriminately killing children. The scenes are horrific. That’s what people are protesting about. They are most certainly blind to the truth. The news reports are quite clear

[TakeMe2Insanity]

@millymollymoomoo

Unfortunately most people protesting have no idea what they are protesting it supporting. It’s sickening. People do t know the history or reality of the brutality under Hamas. They are ISIS by another name who don’t want a two state solution. They want complete annihilation of Jews in Israel and all over. You think they’ll stop at Israel? They are a brutal state who have used their own people as shields, siphoned humanitarian aid away from the people to instead build times to launch misiles into Isreal on a daily basis.
wonrn have zero rights. Gays are killed. No freedom of press or speech, wear wrong clothes as a woman? Stoned or killed. How anyone can be out on the streets effectively supporting them makes me sick

of course, having sympathy for innocent children in Gaza caught up is one thing and something we should all be looking at ways for the international community to help, but a ceasefire is not it. Supporting Hamas is not it!

and yes more needs to be focussed on getting these hostages freed and talking about the brutality and reality of hamas. People are blind to the truth .

And you know everything?

[Brrrrrrrrrrrr]

I do a double take when I see those who are supporting and protesting in favour of the terrorists, anyone LGBT or female should really stop and take a moment to understand the complexities of the life they would have under the brutal rule of Hamas. There’s a lot of deception and propaganda out there but one thing is for sure, you would not want them as a neighbouring population.

[NotSuchASmugMarried]

@Brrrrrrrrrrrr

I do a double take when I see those who are supporting and protesting in favour of the terrorists, anyone LGBT or female should really stop and take a moment to understand the complexities of the life they would have under the brutal rule of Hamas. There’s a lot of deception and propaganda out there but one thing is for sure, you would not want them as a neighbouring population.

Quite, @Brrrrrrrrrrrr . I honestly think I'd rather be dead than be ruled by Hamas anyway.

Oh, and no-one has said there will be a ceasefire if the hostages are handed over.

Oh, and I think Israel are resigned that the hostages are collateral damage so aren't really considering them in the grand scheme of things and considering that it's better for Israel for a few hundred hostages to die than for Hamas to continue being in Gaza.

[Rubbishagain]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyjJq5StNJ2/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==

[petuniasandpetals]

Netanyahu has said there will be a ceasefire if the hostages are released.
Nobody would want to live under or next to Hamas.
And so as much as I would like this to be over there doesn't seem to be a resolution until Hamas capitulate which is not likely to happen.
All in all it's terrible.

[petuniasandpetals]

So surely "FREE THE HOSTAGES" should be the chants?

[Caffeineandicecream]

The protesting is in support for the lives of the Palestinians being killed in their thousands not pro Hamas.
Half of the Palestinians there are under 18 and wouldn't have been born when they came about.
Israel is holding thousands of Palestinians hostage too, hundreds are children. All hostages should be released. Israel doesn't seem to have the release of hostages as their priority, surely sending in special forces to retrieve the hostages would be better than the carpet bombing which is surely killing the hostages? Isn't the actions of Israel showing that the intention is revenge and to wipe Palestinians off the map, as displayed by Netanyahu in the UN GA with his map of the 'New Middle East.' https://www.commondreams.org/news/netanyahu-map

[backtowinter]

@Caffeineandicecream

The protesting is in support for the lives of the Palestinians being killed in their thousands not pro Hamas.
Half of the Palestinians there are under 18 and wouldn't have been born when they came about.
Israel is holding thousands of Palestinians hostage too, hundreds are children. All hostages should be released. Israel doesn't seem to have the release of hostages as their priority, surely sending in special forces to retrieve the hostages would be better than the carpet bombing which is surely killing the hostages? Isn't the actions of Israel showing that the intention is revenge and to wipe Palestinians off the map, as displayed by Netanyahu in the UN GA with his map of the 'New Middle East.' https://www.commondreams.org/news/netanyahu-map

What hostages did Israel take?

I know Hamas's terms for the people they took hostage on 7/10 but what are Israel's terms for release for these hostages they're holding?

[Caffeineandicecream]

@backtowinter 'Israeli authorities frequently arrest Palestinians—sometimes children—and hold them for months or years without charge or for something as minor as throwing a rock.'socialistworker.co.uk/palestine-2023/the-10000-palestinian-political-prisoners-held-hostage-by-israel/

[backtowinter]

@Caffeineandicecream

@backtowinter 'Israeli authorities frequently arrest Palestinians—sometimes children—and hold them for months or years without charge or for something as minor as throwing a rock.'socialistworker.co.uk/palestine-2023/the-10000-palestinian-political-prisoners-held-hostage-by-israel/

Thanks. I got confused when you said hostages

[DomPom47]

People know what they are protesting for and nearly all the people on those marches are peaceful. You can point to one stupid antisemitic person holding a poster that is hateful and I can then point to five thousand other people who are there peacefully.
I have been on the marches and I have taken my young children with me. I have marched with people of all ages and back grounds and faiths, including many Jewish people. I m a confident person and would have no qualms about having a healthy discussion with anyone holding a poster that I thought incited hate like the one of the woman shown in the papers with a flag of Israel and a bin.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation and for me they don’t represent the people of Palestine. Me protesting about the current situation does not mean I in any shape way or form support what Hamas did. I am at the march as I do not support what has been happening since and before Hamas actions.
There are hateful people on both sides, look at the May Israel flag day chants about Arabs, search the Israel Times paper very recent story of IDF soldiers and Palestinians who were arrested, naked and stamped on.
This situation will not solve itself unless we are honest about the wrongs that all involved are taking part in. Hamas can release the hostages today, will the bombing stop, I don’t think so, will the settlements stop I don’t think so, will the children who have been arrested stop I don’t think so. Will both sides stop their rhetoric of hate towards one another I don’t think so.
The Palestinians need an alternative to Hamas to fight for their interests, we know UN sanctions don’t work, we know pressure on our politicians haven’t worked, we know Israelis protesting about their right wing government recently haven’t worked.
We who are comfortable and safe in the west away from the conflict need to realise that there is one group who is oppressed and that it is the Palestinians and they are stuck between Hamas and the Israeli government and they need all the help and support they can get. Enough of this bloodshed and hate. There needs to be a proper solution, we need to push for change.

[Caffeineandicecream]

@backtowinter

Thanks. I got confused when you said hostages

OK. We can label it differently and i'll accept there are differences. Children are being forcibly taken from their families though. For years, without trial, their families unable to see them, enduring abuse whilst incarcerated.There is another side. I'm just highlighting there are people being held unfairly against there will, who are both Palestinian and Israeli.

[TakeMe2Insanity]

@petuniasandpetals

So surely "FREE THE HOSTAGES" should be the chants?

No because then you are accepting that so long as the hostages aren’t freed it’s correct to bomb and kill the civilian non combatant population most of whom are children, that you are accepting that collective punishment (the blockade, no food, no water, no aid, no fuel) is the right thing to do.

[petuniasandpetals]

The siege has only been in place since the hostages were taken (and 1400 Israelis tortured and massacred).
Yes there is hate on both sides but until October 7th things were relatively peaceful.
No one disagrees that the current situation is terrible. No innocents should be killed but we have Hamas proud of the fact they use their civilians as human shields.
My OP was saying that if people chanted FREE THE HOSTAGES it would be more appropriate and less contentious than Free Palestine which has many meanings, some of which are very offensive.

[Freshair1]

Supporting Palestine isn't supporting Hamas

[Caffeineandicecream]

Why is wanting freedom for Palestine offensive?

[Freshair1]

Because Jewish people also live in Palestine......

[SharonEllis]

Because most people protesting dont care about the hostages because they are Jews. I wish it wasn't so but they would not be chanting 'from the river to the sea' if they cared about the Israelis. I cant see any other interpretation.