Anti Semetism IS happening

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and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

I had a friend at school who was fucking terrified of going into London with a hijab. I was the only person she was vaguely friends with who wasn’t muslim and didn’t wear a headscarf so she asked me to go with her for an appointment as she didn’t have anyone else to ask.

It was so sad that she was sacred, she was a really lovely and kind person No-one should be scared of walking the streets of their own home x

My friend's teenage daughter and friend were stopped last Sunday when they came out of Oxford Circus tube station to go shopping by the police who advised that they would be better off going home because it may not be safe for them now. They are orthodox jews and are therefor visibly jewish.

Sadly - the people who think "all Jews are guilty by association" are probably the ones who think "all Palestinians are terrorists"
The lack of critical thought & conflation of ideologies & narratives surrounding these issues is just a travesty & negates the opportunity for dialogue & understanding

I had to get up and leave the parents room in the PICU last week because the Arab woman opposite me was giving me such hateful glares that I felt uncomfortable sitting there.
The Arab woman whom I chatted to who's daughter was next to mine in the icu said that conflict in the middle east had nothing to do with us and there was no reason we couldn't be friends.
But she was the exception. None if the other Arab parents would I'd anything other than shoot me hateful glares. And no I'm not imagining it.
The hospital has lots of international patients from Arab countries.

It is a difficult balance for the police as they try to keep hte peace which usually means those who are the nastiest, the biggest group, the loudest voices win out which is terrible and it has always vbeen like that. Why should we kow tow to the mob? I support Israel. I haven't been on a march or tried to go on the Palestinian one draped in an Israeli flag but the police ought to protect people doing that as much as the pro Hamas and pro Palestinians in the UK.

I am glad to see the Met police have severed all ties with the man (Malik) who was advising them who appeared to be pretty awful. I hope the Met police ensure they have as many jews as muslims on their various advisory bodies for fairness' sake (and of course Christians and atheists too). Meanwhile a lady - Ahmad - who is a leadership co-ordinator of the police says 'I think at this point, if anyone openly agrees with the war in Gaza, they should be called out as Islamophobic and inciting hatred against Muslims.' That is a pretty strong statement. She is saying she thinks those of us who support Israel, in effect, are criminals.

@LondonMummer I am so sorry for what your family is going through. I wish you all the best.

it is outrageous with the antisemitism I have seen recently. I am not Jewish but I have several Jewish friends and I don’t trust myself to discuss this in real life, I worry I would get angry. It seems that most people are pro Palestine and are diminishing antisemitism even when it is obvious.

I walked to the underground with my daughter a week ago in an area with a lot of Jewish people. There was a little old lady walking ahead of us and as we were approaching, she stepped out into the road to let us pass. Our eyes met, I tried to smile reassuringly at her and kept chatting to my daughter and she looked relieved.

Do you know what she reminded me of? A woman who is being followed by a male late at night and tries to see if he is trying to catch up with her. A few minutes later she passed us, apparently having decided that she was comfortable with her back to us. It really broke my heart.

This.

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I'm not sure if this is a well meaning reply or a piss take, but it certainly does nothing to combat antisemitic tropes. I've lived in Israel and never seen a "Jewish hair colour" or all the mini Anne Franks 🤔.

Maybe post this on one of the threads discussing the war rather than on a thread feeling for people who are suffering anti semitism here in the UK and have NOTHING to do with what's happening in Gaza, its not their fault. Spare a thought for people here being targeted because they happen to be Jewish.

Maybe you could find it in yourself some empathy? Please?

@feralunderclass do you think Anne didn’t look visibly Jewish? I don’t want to say more about my family members but they have proudly expressed to me that they personally feel they look Jewish.

This again.

On ths thread in particular. Some just cannot help themselves, so much hatred.

It's very sad to see islamaphobia creeping into a thread about anti semitism.

Two sides of the same disgusting coin.

I have a close friend who is Jewish and she is concerned about the rise in anti semetism though thankfully she hasn't experienced any personally yet during this war.

She has been verbally abused, kicked and spat at in the past but that's because she was mistaken as Muslim after Manchester and the murder of Lee Rigby.

She never wears a head scarf anymore.

Sadly theres always bigoted idiots that get emboldened by events to act on views they usually keep hidden. I don't understand such stupid attitudes on any level.

She was planning on travelling to Israel to see friends later this month but she's obviously not now and adamant she won't under any circumstances while Netanyahu remains in power.

We both think that comments from senior Gov ministers labelling marches of support as hate marches does more to inflame extremists on both sides and probably intentionally as a vehicle to pass repressive legislation on everyone.

White Phosg Again with the white Phos. It's a legal weapon system used by every army in the world

But it's illegal to use as an incendiary, which is what they did when they used it against UN shelters, during Cast Lead. I mean, unless you were arguing that they were using it as a smokescreen to cross a small yard?

And whilst there's a difference between a stray shell killing bystanders, that's not what's happening. Israel are deliberately and purposefully targetting civilians, as they always do.

They have dropped leaflets onto hospitals, telling them what's coming. (Please don't try to pretend that a stray Hamas rocket = not one single instance of Israel bombing hospitals was actually carried out by Israel).

Bombing bakeries, when queues of women are waiting to buy bread? One might be a coincidence, but a dozen? Please!

I am trying to understand here…. We are on a thread discussing antisemitism in the U.K. and how awful that is. Posters are coming on here talking about how awful Israel is. Are these posters trying to say that it is ok to be an antisemite??

Seems that way.

Perhaps read the thread (as in read the room suggestion).

Yes they are. My question for those anti-Semite’s (and I would love it if a poster actually admitted it rather than trying to derail a thread about racism in the uk with comments on Israel) just one of you have the guts to be upfront and say why you are anti-Semitic

I am not sure what people mean when they march and chant "from the river to the sea." They may mean simply a peaceful land without injustice, or they may mean the eradication of the Israeli state, or maybe even the removal of all the Jewish people they consider colonisers.

Yes it is happening and it's awful. Some of the banners and chants at the marches are disgusting. As is the ripping down of the hostage posters everywhere. The aforementioned bathroom graffiti was at my DDs school. It's disgusting. I stand with all Jewish people in our country and I am so sorry that this is happening and that you don't feel safe.
I would love to march for peace but these marches do not seem to me to be in favour of peace for all.

@Shhhhivegotasecret I too want anyone with those feelings to just admit it. It would be so much easier to know who the nasty ones are.

Thank you to the posters who have shone a light on this and tried to stem the derailment of the thread.

I'm so so sad to read of people's experiences this week.

@LondonMummerwhat's happened is awful and unacceptable.

I wish you and everyone strength and peace.

The thread is posted on the ‘conflict in the Middle East board’ which I think is why posters are linking it to Israel, not because anybody thinks it is okay to be antisemitic. I assumed from the fact it was posted on this board (and not for example the Jewish mumsnetters board or in chat etc) the OP was wanting to discuss the rise in antisemitism within the context of the current conflict. The actions of Israel have lead to increased acts of anti-Semitism, just as the actions of Hamas have lead to increased acts of Islamophobia. Neither are justified or okay, ordinary citizens should not be responsible for the acts of governments or terrorist groups especially within other countries, but unfortunately the reason they’re happening is because of the conflict of the Middle East and because some people can’t separate citizens from the acts of people they share a religion with. It would be hard to discuss this without mentioning Israel right now?

How do you "look very Jewish" if you aren't religious (so I'm assuming you aren't wearing particular clothes or any outward 'markers' signifying you as a Jewish person)? I've seen a number of Jewish posters saying this now. Genuine question BTW.

I am not going to describe my racial characteristics to explain in what way I look Jewish.

Noicant. Thank you. There is no place for racism towards any ethnic group. We need to believe someone when they say they are experiencing racism and stand with them not minimise or justify it.

Muslim here from a long line of Muslims. We’re all law abiding British citizens. Disgusted about what Hamas has done. We don’t support Hamas. Never have. Never will. A few of us have gone to protest but that is not because we are antisemitic. Some of us have Jewish friends. Others have Jewish colleagues. We are all keeping in touch with eachother and trying to support as much as we can.

I have noticed a lot of Islamaphobic comments on social media recently. Well, it’s always been there, just how antisemitism has always been there. The average person isn’t Islamaphobic or Antisemitic.

Unfortunately, it’s so easy online to spew hate anonymously. I wish it would stop.

Basically the same posters will come on any thread talking about antisemitism even if the conflict isn't actually being debated on the thread. They then tell everyone that x has it worse, whatabout x & x happening etc. Even though not relevant to the thread.

Tell everyone they have no empathy and are evil people for talking about something else or something like that.

Oh and often make out they have seen no antisemitism on marches or it is one a hundred people or something blah blah blah.

More or less exactly the same posters every time doing various posts which contain one or more of the above.

Hard to know if they truly have no empathy for others apart from Gazens or are derailing because Jew haters and don't want people to feel sorry for Jews or they just lack a basic understanding of what is appropriate behavior a thread