Anti Semetism IS happening

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and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

No problem!

@ProvincialLady1
I personally don't agree that Israel should be compared to the Nazis. I was just hoping the poster who was adamant the lady in the video couldn't possibly be anti-semitic would realise how ridiculous she was being for defending someone when she has zero clue what she is defending. We don't know what the sign says so therefore we can't really make a judgement on if she's anti-semitic or not. I'm assuming it said a lot worse things than "Nazi Israel" for the police to have gotten involved, but I really don't know for sure.

My point is that the other poster also has zero clue why the police got involved but has nonetheless decided the lady in the video had said nothing wrong 🤦🏻‍♀️ Absolute idiocy.

Seriously,
The sign says Nazi Israel,,
The terrorist state demand's international financial support ,
2.4 million Palestinians being forced into Sinai where they will be slowly exterminated, like my family was by Nazi Germany.

She was arrested for saying Israel is committing a holocaust against Palestinians in Gaza.

So now tell me, if this was a Muslim woman with a head scarf on, she would have been arrested and people would have been jumping up and down saying anti semitism is real!

My issue is anyone that has something to say about Israel is either antisemitic or "controversial"

I haven't seen any one say anything about Jewish people on the pro palestine protests. They speak against zionists. But not jewish people.

Those that want to read the sign it’s clearer in the video.

There are lots of strong feelings and very different views (which in a sense is why the UK is the best nation on the planet - freedom of speech etc although it makes it hard to police it at times). No one should live in fear in the UK (other than criminals who break the law). I live in North London near several synagogues (and churches) and a mosque is not too far away either. In general out here most people live in peace and mind their own business. However the synagogues for decades have always had to have guards outside and I see they have upped that to 2 or 3 men rather than just one or two recently. The Christian churches so far do not need guards. I am not sure about the mosque as it is a bit further away.

I haven't been to any of these marches and haven't really seen any signs that I would consider to be anti semitic. If there are then I thimk that's terrible and if anything does more harm than good to the palestinain cause.
However I have seen many racist remarks on social media and in comment sections of articles which say something along the gist of "tell them to go and fight in palestine, if they care so much" or "go back to your own countries if you don't like it here, but then you wouldnt be able to claim all the benefits etc"
To be fair the "go back to your own country" is one I'm used to hearing

Yes this

No, that's definitely not all it says. You've not made any mention of the words "final solution" so I know it's definitely not accurate. I can't see the whole thing even in the second link someone posted but I know your version isn't complete.

I don't understand why you're so adamant this lady was falsely accused of anti-Semitism when you don't know what she said. I really don't understand you doubling-down on it. It's ridiculous.

The thread is about 'anti semitism is happening' and you pop up in the middle of the thread asking 'in what way are the children of Gaza to blame for what Hamas did'. Since NO ONE has said they are could it be that you posted a completely random comment on this thread that was meant for another thread?

Genocide: The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Both Hamas and the Israeli govt/military are guilty of this.

Holocaust: destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.

What ‘mass scale’ means here in numbers, I don’t know. If killing 1500 out of 9.2 million Israelis then Hamas are guilty of this too. In this current conflict, Hamas are also guilty of kidnap and destruction of a number of border fences, community houses and possessions and a military base with fire.

Killing 10000 of a trapped, sieged, displaced ethnic group of 2.1 million deprived of food, water, medicine and humanitarian aid while hospitals, homes, universities and refugee camps are bombed and roads across a whole territory peeled up is a holocaust.

There are decades of ongoing efforts by Zionist Israeli govt to impose social deprivation on Palestinians - that is to dissolve a population through control of civil infrastructure and economy, and to dispossess of land. Basically making it impossible for Palestinians to thrive.

There are decades of retaliative guerrilla violence from Hamas on innocent Israelis. Retaliation by a resource-rich Israeli govt for Hamas attacks are often scaled up to amass a body count of 3x more deaths than the initial attack imposed. That number is now much higher than that.

Hamas do also control the of government in Palestine. No one under 38 has ever voted. That’s over 75% of Gaza. Improper use of funds and aid by Hamas are also a large barrier to Palestinians thriving. However developing their society with infrastructure such as airports or university education becomes futile, as these soon become the targets for Israeli military bombing.

There are many people who are liberal Muslim, Christian and other living in Gaza.
To say the Palestinian society is set up where ‘women are broodmares’ to make ‘children for war fodder’ is a reductive, dehumanising and disturbing view. Even if that was the case, it takes indiscriminate violence against them by the Israeli govt for them to become that war fodder.

The same could be said of Jewish belief of pru u'rvu', and also the Israeli government settlement programme of putting poorer Jewish families in accommodations to occupy communities and new territory from Palestinians, where they are sure to be met with aggression.

There are no innocent parties between these governments. The people who pay are Israeli and Palestinian civilians, and those who share their beliefs.

There is antisemitism in the uk and there is also Islamophobia, with a rise in both.

There will be no winners here unless someone shows compassion. Just a lot of hurt.

@Morethandis I agree. Very well written. Abd the best post I gave seen by far I think

Great post! Thank you!!!

All of this

Ah so you haven't been on the marches and haven't seen any signs YOU consider to be anti semitic 🙄right then, thanks for that. What on earth are people worried out/complaining about/nothing to see here because YOU SAY SO!

Give your head a wobble 😳

Did you actually read what I said? I haven't been on the marches and haven't looked into them either, so I have no knowledge of these anitsemtic posts! Not denying people are writing them just that I havent comr across them myself! Get a life, honestly just looking for an argument.

The purpose of my post was to express sympathy which is why I said I think it's terrible if people are making antiemtic boards/posts.

I like how you chose to pick at what I'd written but completely avoided the second half of my post about how both sides suffer discrimination. I was trying to sympathise by referencing my own experience not denying someone else's.

This thread is about 'anti semitism is happening ' you then pontificate that you haven't seen it. Well done you.

Do you do the same with black life's matter pop along to proudly post that 'you haven't seen it'.

If you then pop on to explain how 'both sides suffer discrimination' .... if you do have a think about what you are saying. Really think it through! 🤔

PS referencing your OWN experiences and making it about you and what you see... it isn't about you!

I'm not surprised about your response. Having read your other posts, you cant even garner any sympathy for innocent children, so not going to bother arguing with you.
I stick by what I said. Antisemitism is wrong, islamaphobia is also wrong. Any racism/discrimation is wrong. You carry on hating and wobbling your head.

The marches will calm down in a few weeks, but not after a massive load of trouble with the 67m UK people remembering our dead of the world wars v Palestinian supporters in the UK many of whom hate the British state, our values and dislike our army making their presence felt - it may not be a great weekend on that front but let us hope there can be respect and silence to remember the British dead in the world wars.

Agree.

Women can believe and say things which are misogynistic ( as this site attests all the time), gays and lesbians can do and say things which are homophobic and yes, people of Jewish heritage can do and say things which are anti-Semitic.

This should not be a surprise as none of us are a hive mind with everyone of the same protected characteristic as us.

I'm not arguing with you. No point. I'm pointing out some things that you appear to have missed.

I hope that helps? Have a nice day 😊

In many, many cases those UK people observing remembrance of our dead in all wars and those calling for peace are the same people.

Im disgusted by the politicization of remembrance and stoking of division led but our Government over the issue.

I would absolutely be against any march if it disturbed the silence for those that choose to observe it or the ceremonies where communities across the country come together on Sunday.
It will do neither.

There's a deep irony that we cannot exercise freedoms because it is disrespectful to those that died to give us those freedoms especially when it will have no impact on individual or collective Remembrance

@Xenia Where did you get the idea that palestinian supporters hate the British state? It worries me how much everyone listens to the government and doesn't use their own brain. But also in the same breath complains about the government.

The world has officially gone mad

Why should there be a 'massive load of trouble'?
If so it would absolutely be because the pro-Israel mindset and our government is whipping up the hate against the peace marchers (and yes a nasty fringe element can be attracted to any protests, but arrests and trouble has been very minimal especially considering the size and frequency of the march.)

Why don't people respect that both parties -remembrance and Palestinian supporters - are of the same mind i.e. pro-peace? There is nothing sacred about one group of dead over another...